Debate 1
Obviously everybody will have their own spin and take on the debate. I thought that the economic part was roughly even. When they got to foreign policy I thought that Obama trounced him. All of which is contrary to conventional wisdom. McCains “just doesn't understand” was highly condescending and I found it personally insulting. The McCain foreign policy points sounded just like wingnut radio. Most of it has already been thoroughly debunked. The idea that the Sunni Al Queda would establish a beach head in Iraq shows little knowledge of the facts. To think that the Shia country with the Mahdi army and Badr Brigade would let them come in and take over is wild fantasy. We are the most powerful army in the world and we are still fighting 6 years later. If you made the argument that Shia Iran would take over you might have an argument worth debating but Mr. Foreign policy making that gaffe is sad. Its just wingnut radio talking points for the low information, uninformed voter.
I was glad that Obama brought up the Bomb, bomb Iran thing about McWar. There was a couple places, from what I believe in, where I disagreed with them both of them. Overall I am more sure than ever that I will be far more comfortable with Obama as my President and face of my nation than McWar.
posted by Ron at 9:31 PM
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Ron. Not sure if "winning" a debate means winning an election. Are you going to post a thread on the financial bailout now that an agreement seems imminent?
Saddened to hear the news of Paul Newman's passing although it was expected. We need more like him.
Larry in New Mexico
Paul Newman died. Sob!! Oh well, my mom always said he could keep his shoes under her bed any day. Maybe he can do it in Heaven? :-)
Missed most of the debate. We were supposed to watch it at an event in the park, but the satellite signal didn't come thru. Caught the last ten minutes. Surprised to see that McSame showed up. Gawd, he looks/sounds like a confused old man bumbling around not knowing what he's doing...like Tim Conway's little old man character on "The Carol Burnett Show". Wasn't at least 4 years of a President with Alzheimers (1984-1988) enough. Come on! Why don't people want a bright young man who knows his stuff...oh right, he's BLACK. Anyway, loved watching Obama's amused reactions to McCain's McSame old McSame old rhetoric about how he supports the troops/vets because he went to Vietnam and was a POW and how Senator Obama just doesn't understand about how we can't lose in Iraq because the terrorists will attack us for sure and yadda yadda yadda.
From what I saw and what I heard, Obama proved that he does understand a lot about foreign policy and Biden (yeah!!!) will do even better when he debates the very scary lady next week. He might not have challenged McSame enough on the economy, but it's all in the news right now for anyone to see and also, that this old man who should retire to one of his seven houses thinks the economy is peachy keen and is quoting quotes from the Republican who was President at the time of the 1929 Stock Market Crash that caused the Great Depression. Obama won...next time the domestic issues, right? He'll take McSame in that one just like Scary out there hunting a moose.
:-)
Mara
Paul Newman was as close to a hero as I had. If I can be half the human he was I will consider it a worthwile life.
The right is wearing thin on more people all the time. I wrote a post responding to a righty claim that this financial mess wasn't their fault! (being the regulation and oversight champions they have proudly proclaimed to be all these years!-snark)
Well of course not. Or anything else for that matter. They are never responsible for anything in your eyes. It's always someone else's fault, you are NEVER wrong and no adjustments to your beliefs ever need to be made. You rationalize away your hypocrisy and blame others of victim mentality while you bath in it. You have no integrity in your consistency of thought or action. You on the right are as bankrupt of character as the country is of money. There is no way to have a sane conversation with you. I have tried for years and the only one that ever came close was Marshall. You listen to the right wing clowns on the radio and puppet them as if they were the Gods of enlightenment and then turn right around and say you do no such thing. It is so obvious to those outside your cult how it works. Maybe you don't even realize it yourselves. That makes it sad even more so. 25 years of this and you keep asking for more and blaming, blaming, blaming. If only you could get not nearly everything but EVERYTHING you want the world would be an oyster. The only thing standing in the way is your countless enemies who are making a deliberate attempt to destroy you and the rest of the world. Communists, liberals, socialists, gays, illegal immigrants, pro-choicers, environmentalists, Marxists, Arabs, Muslims, Islamofacists, terrorists, poor people, inner city residents, protesters, welfare bums, elitists, Democrats. Find a group, give them a name and smear them. Your war against and fear of anything and anybody mentality has sickened me to the core. No, you aren't responsible for anything. You are the only true, moral, great patriots. You are the victim. And THAT is the problem.
Yeah, you are so right. What ticks me off is the people who are working/middle class and not stupid,but so intellectually lazy that they choose to buy the rightwing BS. I have no respect for many of them including my anti-intellectual McCain loving brother.
Unlike the Maniac, I don't really hate all or even most Republicans. I work for a Republican family that is very nice, treats their employees well, cares about good causes, the planet,and animals-wild and domestic. We have Republican customers who are very nice people, but I could never in this life talk politics with them because they have been brainwashed and misinformed to the point where they can't see what's right in front of their eyes. It's sad, but it's hard not to get mad too because it scares me to think what will happen if things don't change because these people refuse to see the light.
Mara
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