Sunday, March 18, 2007

Digging Into The Dirty

There is so much muck out their it is almost impossible to keep up with. Let me throw out a few notes and get your thoughts.


One of the favorite arguments of the right is that the people that oppose them are “defeatocrats” and want us to lose the war. We are cowards running from the fight. How far spun and distorted from the point can they get.
We are sliding backwards on the war on terror. We are spending ourselves into second rate status. A big change on how we approach the problem is quite obviously needed.
First it would be good if we quit funding the Sunnis who have Bin Laden terrorists amongst them to fight the Shias. Are we supporting the Shias or the Sunnis? Why do we alternately(or at the same time) support one then another? Is this a winning plan? Is it patriotic to put our troops in the middle of it? We are funding the terrorists!!
Second we need a plan to keep more of our money at home and not buying their most valuable resource and funding means...oil. Yes we could drill for more but that won't even begin to solve the problem. Why are we not attacking the energy problem with the same fervor and financial resources we do on military death, destruction and alienation? It pays far more dividends in the short and long run. Any one that thinks we are losing and need to do something different defeatocrat though. How far spun do you have to be to believe their rhetoric? That you can't support the troops without supporting the mission someone else has ordered them to do? They won the military portion. Few would doubt that. The problem with the mission has nothing to do with them.

Interesting note from the tv sunday talk shows..
Terry Jefferies says that the Democrats haven't come up with a plan on what to do when we pull out. What happens if there is ethnic cleansing, a blood bath, other countries around their border involved? Isn't it funny when the fox complains about the hen house after he raids it. What was their plan to stop all of that? There's a bloodbath, civil war, arms and monetary support being supplied, according to our intelligence, by Shia Iran and Sunni Saudi Arabia. Worse we have given the very people we are after a training ground and the Islam fundamentalists are learning more and more every day. Why do we continue to have ANY respect for those that said we would have a quick, maybe 6 months victory when we are 4 years in. How long do you play the sucker. Yes their will probably be horrible things happen when we pull out. Should we continue to spend over a billion dollars a week and have our men and women killed while we “wait” for victory? Where is the victory, how does it happen? Sure we can talk about steps to take when we pull back or out but until radical right quit saying that nothing but their plan is proper and allowed it is impossible.

There is a debate over General Peter Paces' comment that the gay lifestyle is immoral. Obviously immoral is a relative term and depends a lot on your religion. Let's say unnatural. I think that more aptly describes it and puts the discussion on a more rational basis. He has the right to his opinion. Hopefully national policy will take place after a national discussion.

The lies the right has continued to spew on the Plame case are outrageous. Especially with the vetted proof that exists. They claim there was no underlying crime(kinda like Clinton) when we have the CIA stating she was undercover(a NOC) and Fitzgerald,who actually investigated the charge, stating, even in the Libby case, that she was undercover. The right likes to say that Joe Wilson is a liar. Really, seems he was right on the money to me. Then you get the Senate Committee hearing argument where he apparently said exactly the opposite of what he said in his editorial. They can't usually tell you what he said and the vast majority have never read it for themselves. They are just trusting Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity. Do you want to believe anybody that uses these people as the purveyors of the facts? I have only seen one person able to provide a link. Now I know why they never do it. The paragraph that comes after it Changes the context of the paragraph they are aiming to use. The very beginning of the document pretty much affirmed what Wilson has been saying all along.

We now know the FBI has been abusing their National, write their own warrant, Security Letters. Spying on vast numbers of Americans under the Patriot act. Using it to demand private business records, wire phones and a mulititude of other government intrusion. In the 10s of thousand it's far more than could be assumed by a reasonable person as a part of the terrorist fight. Unfortunately in the basketful of scandals this has been moved from the front of the national conversation. I think our freedom and democracy and freedom from government intervention should ALWAYS be at the top of our agenda.

Now up front is the US Attorney issue. What makes me most uncomfortable about this; what makes this unique is again the Patriot Act which allows them to appoint new people without the vetting of the congress. This was the way they were planning to do it. Their own memos state that hiring and firing was based in large measure on Bush loyalty. I don't think this is the way our legal system is intended to work. I guess lying under oath isn't near as big a deal as it use to be, at least if you listen to the right. The balance of power is wildly upset. I have said for years now..throw away the patriot act and start over again. Getting back to Real America is the primary goal.
The right always complains that government is the problem and then when they get in office seem determined to prove it.

4 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have been surprised by the news today. More honest than usual. Talking about the Iraqi poll, and giving the words of soldiers' widows against the war and such.

There is an article about how the Defense Budget is already nearly a trillion dollars a year. He lists the vategories and amounts of that spending.

This, obviously, cannot be sustained. Largely because of spending on "offense" -- most of it has very little to do with defense -- we will go down as all empires eventually go down. It would have happened anyway, but because of the insanity of this administration, it will happen sooner than it would have. Alas, it is likely we will spend ever more of our capital in trying to sustain the unsustainable. Look at what has happened in South America. They have gone left because of our corporate "rape" of their country to benefit corporations in this country, but which actually left most of the people of that hemisphere worse off than they would be if we had just stayed out of their affairs!!

I got the book "Imperial Life in the Emerald City," about life in the Green Zone in Iraq. There is no better chronicle of the hows and whys of the farce of the occupation out there.

Lonna

1:10 PM, March 19, 2007  
Blogger Ron said...

Lonna, I am suspect that the news will be followed through on in any meaningful way. As we have discussed, they move from one scandal to another and pretty soon the past is forgotten.(how about that anthrax attack? Where's Osama?) Maybe now with Bush pushing the issue with the attorneys thing he will assist in keeping it front and center. I can't imagine that any thinking person wouldn't suspect they think they have something to hide.
I was most happy to see they repealed at least a little part of the patriot act. Now if they would just repeal the rest of it we might be back to almost a Constitutional democracy.

10:39 PM, March 20, 2007  
Blogger Kim said...

I'd like to know what's new here?

It's been like this since day one with BushCo.

Did I not say back when this blog first started, that America was selling out (and this was /before/ any book came out about it)???

Geez, media people, tell me something I /don't/ know. Then I'll be surprised.

8:03 PM, May 06, 2007  
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