Friday, June 30, 2006

The Times Fights Back

From the San Francisco Chronicle

San Francisco talk show host Melanie Morgan believes that Times editor Bill Keller should be jailed for treason for approving the publication.
The maximum penalty for treason is death.
"If he were to be tried and convicted of treason, yes, I would have no problem with him being sent to the gas chamber," Morgan, whose show airs on KSFO-AM, told The Chronicle on Wednesday. "It is about revealing classified secrets in the time of war. And the media has got to take responsibility for revealing classified information that is putting American lives at risk."


Any one who has taken 10 minutes to have an independent thought on this must finally assume that the greatest threat to our democracy and other Americans is the rabid hatefilled "I'm a better American than you" right wing. This is just another issue to turn the sheeple on advocates of open and transparent government. 5 years into the so called "war on terror" we have yet to have a debate on the best methods and use of our resources and people in keeping us safe. No debate is allowed. It's the one way policy and it is failing. Terrorism and its influence around the world is increasing not decreasing. It's time to get serious and tell the radical right to settle down.

The New York Times defends it's self with the evident common sense today. Read the full piece here.

COUNTERTERRORISM has become a source of continuing domestic and international political controversy. Much of it, like the role of the Iraq war in inspiring new terrorists, deserves analysis and debate. Increasingly, however, many of the political issues surrounding counterterrorism are formulaic, knee-jerk, disingenuous and purely partisan. The current debate about United States monitoring of transfers over the Swift international financial system strikes us as a case of over-reaction by both the Bush administration and its critics.........The International Economic Emergency Powers Act, passed in 1977, provides the president with enormous authority over financial transactions by America's enemies. International initiatives against money laundering have been under way for a decade, and have been aimed not only at terrorists but also at drug cartels, corrupt foreign officials and a host of criminal organizations.
These initiatives, combined with treaties and international agreements, should leave no one with any presumption of privacy when moving money electronically between countries. Indeed, since 2001, banks have been obliged to report even transactions entirely within the United States if there is reason to believe illegal activity is involved. Thus we find the privacy and illegality arguments wildly overblown.
So, too, however, are the Bush administration's protests that the press revelations about the financial monitoring program may tip off the terrorists. Administration officials made the same kinds of complaints about news media accounts of electronic surveillance. They want the public to believe that it had not already occurred to every terrorist on the planet that his telephone was probably monitored and his international bank transfers subject to scrutiny. How gullible does the administration take the American citizenry to be? ..........There is, of course, another possible explanation for all the outraged bloviating. It is an election year. Karl Rove has already said that if it were up to the Democrats, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi would still be alive. The attacks on the press are part of a political effort by administration officials to use terrorism to divide America, and to scare their supporters to the polls again this year.


The idea that any large number of Americans would want to see other Americans killed and would in anyway intentionally aid the terrorists is dictionary definite demagoguery. If someone wants to debate motives, fine. I would be happy to talk about what our best methods and tactics should be. How important our Constitution and transparent government is or why I want our American soldiers to come home. Unfortunately the apopleptic radical right can only condemn and confuse the issue. Quite likely on purpose. The American people should reject these people as truly radical and unhinged. Let's have a real debate about terrorism and our freedom and democracy.

7 Comments:

Blogger The Game said...

The House yesterday approved a Republican-crafted resolution condemning news organizations for revealing a covert government program to track terrorist financing, saying the disclosure had "placed the lives of Americans in danger."

Among Western Pennsylvania lawmakers, the resolution was supported by Republican Reps. Phil English of Erie, Melissa Hart of Bradford Woods, Tim Murphy of Upper St. Clair, John Peterson of Venango and Bill Shuster of Blair. It was opposed by Democratic Reps. Mike Doyle of Forest Hills and John Murtha of Johnstown.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06181/702317-84.stm

even your boy Murtha thinks what the times did was wrong..and these guys actually know something...

1:08 PM, June 30, 2006  
Blogger Ron said...

You say they know nothing and are america haters when they say something you don't like...now suddenly they are right? Sheeple

I don't always agree with democrats or republicans and if they think this put american lives in danger I disagree..even if Feingold says it..see I am,contrary to you, an independent thinker..What is putting american lives in danger..and as a matter of fact costing american lives every day is the administration policy in there failed phoney "war on terror".

4:17 PM, June 30, 2006  
Blogger The Donkey said...

The Lame game posted, "even your boy Murtha thinks what the times did was wrong".

Congressman John Murtha is no boy. He volunteered and fought in the Vietnam War, in 1966. Medals like the Bronze Star with Valor device, two Purple Hearts and the Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry seem to mean nothing to the Lame game. The military could make a man out of the lame game. The Marines need combat officers, Lame game. Step up and support the troops instead of insulting the ones that have already served.

5:31 PM, June 30, 2006  
Blogger The Game said...

I feel pitty for the donkey...he doesn't know how pathetic and sad he is...
Giving credit to Murtha here...that is being an independent thinker...
atleast Ron is a thinker, unlike the jack ass who didn't take the med's once again today...make a point, get a clue...Ron, here is example number 125658764565 showing how liberals on your blog debate...you'll never admit it, but you are ashamed to have donkey here...

1:43 AM, July 01, 2006  
Blogger Ron said...

No actually I thought he made a good point. Sorry you were offended..it made perfect sense to me.

2:29 AM, July 01, 2006  
Blogger Ron said...

Ok, let me try this again..yes I understand what you are saying Game. He didn't address the particular issue. Point taken...but just maybe that IS his point. When wingnuts blather on about hate america, want us to loose,aiding the enemy, killing our soldiers...that sounds just as irrelavent to us. And wildly unbelieveable that somebody really thinks so many americans would think that to be true of so many other americans. It's just politics. Maybe he is playing your game using his own rules.

I will admit that there are some people that I really don't want on this blog. Fortunately they have all gotten pissed that we did not respect their author i tay and promised never to come back. They did this under the threat that i would delete their posts if they continued their viscious personal attacks on people that contribute to this blog. And if they come back doing the same thing I will. A measured amount of disdain or contempt I can understand from either side but visciousness is beyond the pale. When you get to that point the conversation is over wheather you want it to be or not.Donkey made point, whatever it was, without being viscious..

The question in all this to my thinking is do we want open and transparent government/ What qualifies as secrets that should be kept? Who should know. How do we make sure the rule of law is followed. ...Past all the name calling and back biting those seem to be the issues to me.
From what I have read so far it appears that no laws were really broken here. Unfortunately the so called patriot act allows for things I don't believe are or should be legal and some of those methods were used. Also a number of people in congress that were briefed on this were NOT briefed until the story was know to be about to break. A good reason to do it right there in my book. I don't think this rises to the level of the NSA phone thing. I don't think as many American citizens were unknowningly targets. The thing that bothers me the most is the overblown frenzy the right has worked it's self into over this. It's NOT a big secret. They really didn't say anything that most informed people couldn't have assumed or looked up for themselves. Or much that the President himself hasn't already said.
You and I disagree on wheather President Cheney is a good and honorable man. I myself have found many reasons to doubt this entire administration. Not on a politcal basis..on a personal basis.I don't believe their intentions are honorable. Even if they are I think there are far better ways to protect America that start right here at home. I also believe that adhering to the intent of our forefathers is necessary..even in a time of war. I know many disagree with that but I think ruining our democracy is just what the terrorist are trying to do and when you give in to that you are letting them win.

5:43 AM, July 01, 2006  
Blogger The Donkey said...

The lame game posted,"I feel pitty for the donkey." The Donkey does not want the lame game to feel anything for the Donkey and has no idea what pitty is.

The Donkey is amazed how the lame game ever passed high school. Maybe his teachers felt pity for him. More likely they passed him to get rid of him.

The lame game claims want to debate but just insults when confronted with a question he does not know. The Donkey does not debate the lame game, he simply takes the insults hurled, lumps them together and beats the lame game like a drum. The Donkey is simply much better at it. As Ron has posted, "drag them down to your level and beat them with experience.

9:15 PM, July 02, 2006  

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