Sunday, June 25, 2006

Failure To Think.....

...Past the end of your nose. In the ongoing smear campaign(the only way the right knows how to do it) against John Murtha, This is the latest for the non thinking knee jerk conservatives. The story.

MIAMI — American presence in Iraq is more dangerous to world peace than nuclear threats from North Korea or Iran, Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., said to an audience of more than 200 in North Miami Saturday afternoon.

What do they have to say about this? Take a wild guess. It's not to hard to figure out. It's the same thing they say about everyone else who might have a thought that differs from theirs.

(real comment from a rightie blog below.)

Here is a man who loves the United States. A man who definitely wants us to do our best. A man who could easily be the spokes person for any terrorist group. He gives comfort and hope for terrorists worldwide. (the first two sentences obviously snark)

One note johnnys, so predictable you don't even need to ask.

Let's examine Murthas' statement. "MIAMI — American presence in Iraq is more dangerous to world peace than nuclear threats from North Korea or Iran.."

Peace according to the dictionary:
The absence of war or other hostilities.
An agreement or a treaty to end hostilities.
Freedom from quarrels and disagreement; harmonious relations

Ok, a few of you bright people are catching on. Iran has no nuclear weapons. North Korea does but we are, at this point, absent of war or other hostilities. We are in negotiations with both on ending hostilities and neither our side or the other has commenced more than verbal hostilities.

Iraq. War, hostilities between not only the U.S. and and others but hostilities between numerous factions within the country. Certainly we must be aware of threats and Madmanjani and nutcase in N. Korea are certainly that. The fact is the possibility exists that an agreement can be made. Even if one thinks the possibility is small. So far peace among us(outside of jawboning) has been maintained. That is not the case in Iraq. Which is more dangerous, the potential for violence or actual violence? Which is more dangerous to world peace, war between a number of countries or violence within one country? Again this is not just two sides fighting but many factions with inflamed passions on each side. Would it be more dangerous to condemn and argue with conservatives or liberals or advance to a killing war among us? Which is more dangerous to peace? If other countries got involved on one side or the other would that enhance world peace or diminish it?
The lack of critical thought is mindnumbing among the hate other Americans crowd. How little of an education must you have to not be able to find the logic in Murthas statement.

He gives comfort and hope to terrorists worldwide.

And just how does he come up with this conclusion? He doesn't. It is more learned knee jerk conservatism.
What things make America attractive to others? What freedoms do we pride? Maybe the freedom of speech and thought? But exercise it and you are harming America and aiding our enemies? How I Qless do you have to be to even force this to make sense? Is this what we want for Iraq? That only positive comments are allowed? The rest are unpatriotic and harmful to the country? Totally mindless stupidity and logic.
How does freedom of speech and thought give aid and comfort to those who we are told don't want it? Seems to me if anyone is talking like the terrorist or their best friend it would be those opposed to freedom of thought and not those that support it. Of course when you are long on rhetoric and bluster and short on critical thinking skills all the right bizarro world slogans make perfect sense. Jerk that knee!!

More on the swiftboating of Murtha Here and Here.

How these people can say they support the troops is beyond me.

Update: The librl medya misrepresented it and the radical republicans spread it...suprise!

Murtha apparently never said anything of the sort. What he did was cite a Pew poll released two weeks ago showing that people around the world, including in closely-allied countries like Great Britain, believe the U.S. is the greatest threat to peace.
A statement released by Murtha’s office today quotes an email from Melissa Sanchez of the Miami Herald, who also attended the speech, saying of the purported Murtha “quote”: “
That was in reference to international polls. It was not so much his own conjecture, but a conclusion drawn from polls in various countries.”

Of course other countries don't have a large group of wingnuts who think they should totally destroy the people who don't agree with whatever tactics. The wingnuts are shameful, and shameless.


Blogger chancuff said...

"MIAMI — American presence in Iraq is more dangerous to world peace than nuclear threats from North Korea or Iran, Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., said to an audience of more than 200 in North Miami Saturday afternoon."

Were I in Sun-Sentinel's shoes, I'd sit quiet as a mouse, hoping this will all blow over without much more fuss. Elizabeth Baier quotes Murtha several times in her Breaking World News (Brit Hume of Fox News as well as the Wall Street Joural have taken Baier's ball and run with it) claims of what Murtha said in Miami. When direct quotes are used, it's often the case the reporter has recorded the event, in order to make certain their quotes are accurate. What initially drew my attention was her lack of quotes for what she claims Murtha said in her first paragraph.,0,7119684.story

Shortly after reading the Sun Sentinel story, I googlenews'ed "Murtha Miami Iran Nuclear"
Among the dozens of hits quoting Ms. Baier indexed within a few hours of the Sun Sentinel's earth shaking expose' of Murtha's talk, I found another article published by the Miami Herald.

You will notice, this writer totally missed Murtha's "shot heard around the world" (technorati now has 400+ hits for what Ms. Baier claims Murtha said.)

On the unlikely chance Ms. Baier did *not* quote Murtha from a recording she made at the event ... I've written the Florida International University Public Relations folks asking them to preserve their audio/video recording of this event they sponsored for Murtha to speak at.

I've sent inquiries to the entire editorial boards of the Sun Sentinel, Wall Street Journal, Arizona Sun Star and Miami Herald, as well as Knight Ridder, asking them to pursue any recording of this event, in pursuit of the real news story, Elizabeth Baier.

It shouldn't take more than a day, or three, for Ms Baier to experience personally, that the world of journalism is flat. Whether you like or despise John Murtha is no longer the story. The real story is ... just how far has mainstream media sunk? Is Jerry Springer Journalism the new standard for reporters?

Here's what should strike every blogger as truly shocking... If Murtha never said anything like this ... If America's Conservative Talking Heads plastering this "Murtha fiction" all over the internet, including Fox News and the Wall Street Journal, then who's to blame for this story achieving such prominence that our enemies will have no trouble finding it, and get the comfort these stories provide them?

Hold your breath and hope that all this aid to our enemies really does have to do with what Murtha said in Miami. Until this gets cleared up by audio/video recordings verifying what was said, it's America's media "dittoheads", including bloggers that are the ones providing comfort our enemies.

Let's hope Fox News, Wall Street Journal, and of course, bloggers ain't the real culprits giving comfort to our enemies.

Keep in mind there are only two stories written by reporters who were actually in Miami last Saturday, where Murtha spoke. One used Mutha's outrageous comments as her opening paragraph, and the other, at a competing Newspaper in Florida, never mentioned them at all.

I spent a few hours on the phone with a friend of mine who is editor for a news site. I'm letting him run with this ball. You can follow how this story develops at:


2:36 AM, June 27, 2006  
Blogger Ron said...

Chancuff...the problem for me is wheather he said it or out of context or anything, that is NOT what the "liberal media" is saying he said! Even CNN "librl bastion" misquote the quote. Watch.. they are saying he said America is a bigger threat(bizzare) not American presence in Iraq(easily understandable). This is sickening sloppy outright right wing bias in the media.

3:00 PM, June 27, 2006  
Blogger chancuff said...

This story has taken so many twists and turns, if you blink, you'll miss the next turn.

New developments are being being tracked at this news site:

A notable development: The original Sun-Sentinel's article written by Elizabeth Baier, has been removed from their site and replaced with Ms. Baier's revised story.

If any of you bookmarked Sun-Sentinel's original article that has made them famous for their "the shot heard around the world", check your bookmarked page now. The significance of this is rather overwhelming. This weeks' hysteria, and subsequent retractions and corrections is over something that "never happened".

Interesting to note, it retains the original publication date June 25, 2006, and The Sun-Sentinel did not note this story is a revision.

Cliff Hancuff
The World of Journalism is Flat, Too

2:55 AM, July 02, 2006  
Blogger chancuff said...

Looking at the large number of blog posts I've placed throughout the blogsphere in the last 2 weeks, I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking they look like spam.

My apologies to all.

Some interesting things happened today. I received an email response from Bill Pasco(e) of Diana Irey's campaign against John Murtha for the 12th District of Pennsylvania seat in the House of Representatives.

In responding Mr. Pascoe's email, I found it useful to CC that response to him to Elizabeth Baier and her editor Ms. Rosenhause (Managing Editor Sun-Sentinel).

The topic of those emails was "Rovian Architecture Unplugged". If you are interested to learn more, feel free to write them.

Make "Rovian Architechure Unplugged" your subject heading so they know what your inquiry is about.

Their email addresses:

Bill Pascoe phone: (724) 258-2300

Elizabeth Baier

Sharon Rosenhause

Cliff Hancuff
The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too

7:49 PM, July 11, 2006  
Blogger chancuff said...

The saga continues ...

This may help everyone understand my contempt for today's Republican Party.

This is the origination of this Lincoln "quote":

that ran in INSIGHT magazine

which is part of News World Communications (see bottom of page in link above) a wholly owned political mouthpiece of the Unification Church, the "Moonies".

I wrote Diana Irey offering her documented proof of what Lincoln never said, CCing all her campaign staff on, first on July 14th, and again on August 4th.

I wrote her, and her staff, repeatedly warning them of the consequences of their inaction. If you'd like verification, write her campaign manager of record (Bill Pascoe, former Press Secretary of the RNC, is calling the shots behind the scenes) at and ask him about my repeated warnings.

If you choose to write, use this as the Subject Line "It's showtime.". He'll know exactly what that means.

When all these efforts failed, I contacted with this very same evidence. Brooks Jackson was able to see what Ms. Irey, and her entire campaign staff refused to.

He published this, last Friday:
(note the video clip in the top right corner)

I would like to tell you there's quite some honor to Bill Pascoe's "within hours" response here:

In conclusion, it warrants mentioning how this "Moonie" Lincoln quote came into common use, without any questions to its authenticity.

Use Google to do a search for this quote. Go back 10-15 pages and you'll find the older dates of its use. You'll discover it was the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth who brought this fiction to life within weeks of Dr. Waller's article.

You will find Larry Bailey of has dusted off this Moonie quote and is using it for his "gimme' your money" scheme, all over the net, including this gem written the chairman of Bailey's PAC, in which it is used twice, for emphasis:

It's no accident that Diana Irey was boons-swaggled into using it.

Bill Pascoe and Kelli Phiel, the folks Robert Novak refers to as her "handlers" in this article:

"Irey, who looks quite young, is a bit green, but her handlers see her as great raw material."

I'll give a dollar to anyone who can decipher the grammar, syntax, period occurring in the middle of the sentence, and random capitalization that occurs in the last sentence of this article.

If you are unfamiliar with who Pascoe and Phiel are, let me introduce you.

Pascoe is the gent who hung tough with Jack Ryan, even after Dennis Hastert rightfully withdrew all GOP support for him in 2004, when Ryan was exposed for insisting his wife go to sex clubs with him and have sex in public.

"Jack Ryan is in the race to stay," said Bill Pascoe, Ryan's spokesman.",1,933334.story

Pascoe also the one who called Alan Keyes and convinced him to move from Maryland to Illinois, to replace Ryan. I'll let you Google that and for Kelli Phiel's history working with Pascoe in the 2004 election.

I wish I could tell you that I've not written Diana Irey repeatedly about her "handlers" past, but I cannot make that claim.

Buzz Patterson used this "Moonie" quote at a chapter heading in his book, Reckless Disregard. If you own a copy, check page 65. He was not the only retired military man to adopt this Republican operatives invention. Ollie North was too:

Least you wonder about my interest in all this ...

My family settled in what is now the 12th District of Pennsylvania in 1820, and have lived there ever since.

My great, great grandfather, after whom I am named in honor of, served in Lincoln’s Union Army. He made the supreme sacrifice for our country on March 23, 1862, serving Stonewall Jackson he only defeat in the Civil war.

Lincoln was, to borrow a title, “A Uniter”

When some goofball Republican operative abuses the reputation of our greatest Republican president, in a Moonie publication no less, for the expressed purpose of political gain for today’s Republican Party … it troubles me.

I suspect it will trouble you, too.

Cliff Hancuff
The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too

2:52 AM, August 29, 2006  

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