Wednesday, July 20, 2005

The Memo

The memo says this information isn't suppose to be shared. Guess that blows the "no problem, not undercover" thing out of the water.

A classified State Department memo that may be pivotal to the CIA leak case made clear that information identifying an agent and her role in her husband's intelligence-gathering mission was sensitive and shouldn't be shared, according to a person familiar with the document.........The memo's details are significant because they will make it harder for officials who saw the document to claim that they didn't realize the identity of the CIA officer was a sensitive matter. Patrick Fitzgerald, the special prosecutor, may also be looking at whether other crimes -- such as perjury, obstruction of justice or leaking classified information -- were committed.

Darby Rove's husband, who works in the White House ,better come up with some better spin. It is truly amazing to me that there are some out there that would defend this and sanction impeachment over lying about sex. Obviously they're not true patriots. Why do they hate our fight against WMD? Why do they want to make it easier for the terrorists?

Update here:
Executive Order 12958 governs how federal employees are awarded security clearances in order to obtain access to classified information. It was last updated by President George W. Bush on March 25, 2003, although it has existed in some form since the Truman era. The executive order applies to any entity within the executive branch that comes into possession of classified information, including the White House. It requires employees to undergo a criminal background check, obtain training on how to protect classified information, and sign a "Classified Information Nondisclosure Agreement," also known as a SF-312, promising not to reveal classified information.1 The nondisclosure agreement signed by White House officials such as Mr. Rove states: "I will never divulge classified information to anyone" who is not authorized to receive it.

Noting the first story there is little doubt that this was classified information.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

(No place to put this so just thought I would put it here.)


1) If you can get hold of it, get a copy of the most recent "The Progressive" - August,2005. Good stuff cover to cover. Maybe at
And it includes an article on -

2) Tony Campolo. Read what you can of what he has written.

3) This may or may not be of import
in some way - and I am certainly not trying to be pc about it. It seems rather rare that you have any Hispanic callers even though nearly 1/2 of Roswell's population is Hispanic or Anglo/Hispanic. Maybe their views (and other non-Anglo) views are identical to Anglo views, but seems like they would still call - as they do listen and call into 1320AM's announcement program that is on at similar times. Maybe some other demographic dynamic is at work.

4) The Courthouse policy on adults not wearing caps (its hot and sunny outside), having shirt tails tucked in (this has nothing to do with being neat or clean) and not wearing flip-flops are perhaps any open shoes (some people are not able to wear closed shoes because of injury, surgery, etc.).

Well, hope you can read this and maybe comment on it on your program or maybe some of your listeners will.


4:35 PM, July 23, 2005  
Blogger Average Joe said...

I got a ticket once for breaking the memo law. I'm serious, it was awful.

Ok, wait; keep the hounds at bay for a second.

Karl Rove is a fool and did something very stupid.

Wow, I feel great. Let me continue... George W Bush, however, is wise in letting an investigation take place rather than taking pre-emptive action. It is almost humorous that when we take pre-emptive action against Iraq it is horrible, but not taking action against a Republican is downright intolerable. A loose connection to be sure, but one I still giggle at.

Since there is a question about the law I think it is wise to let the investigation take place so the system may right itself to handle future issues. Simply firing Rove does nothing to correct the problem and could stop further investigation into other leaks in the administration. I think even liberals can agree with that logic.

I find Plame and Wilson to be of poor moral character and in possession of questionable motives. Their intention was to launch a smear campaign that Rove sunk to, not the other way around. I actually commend Rove in trying to get the facts straight even though his foolish misstep led to this current fiasco.

All that being said I do not see evidence that Rove broke a law. If the memo about leaving my lunch in the cafeteria refrigerator is violated I do not get fired or prosecuted. I will get reprimanded, however, and my boss will have less confidence in me to do my job. Yes, I am comparing Valerie Plame to a bag lunch and that is more than she deserves. You do not value the secrecy of your identity if you do a Vanity Fair interview and photo shoot (period).

4:49 PM, July 23, 2005  
Blogger The Donkey said...

Why is "average joe" defending treason? Traitors in the White House betrayed a loyal CIA agent. Treson by a White House Official is what should be punished.

Why is Bush flip flopping? Why does Bush allow traitors to have free run in the White House?

10:28 PM, July 23, 2005  
Blogger The Game said...

What the hell are you even talking about. There is some secret document out there in fantasy land. Karl Rove never mentioned this ladies name, EVER. Where does the information exist that states Karl Rove said who the CIA agent was? He told a reporter that Dick Cheney did not put Wilson on the Africa case, Wilson's wife did. Rove did not even know the womans name. That is a fact, still waiting for a fact on your blog...

8:18 AM, July 24, 2005  
Blogger The Game said...

I didn't read donkey's idiotic comment either...can you explain what the treason was?
Maybe it is all the liberals bashing the mitary giving the ememy comfort and support. That is what treason is you idiot. Maybe treason is saying our military is comperable to Hitler or Pol Pot? Oh wait, that was said by a Democratic Senator, so it is okay. I'm sure your head hurts right now, because I just gave specific facts to my argument, something I have never seen a liberal do. "This is treason." Please give a FACT.

8:21 AM, July 24, 2005  
Blogger Ron said...

bla bla facts bla bla. Every time you get a fact you don't like mr candyland you deny its a fact or minimize it as unimportant. It's somekind of schoolyard game to you. I can't debate with someone holding their fingers in their ears and going la la la la la. Get bent until you can talk like an adult.

11:48 AM, July 24, 2005  
Blogger The Donkey said...

John Harington, inventer of a water toilet, wrote : "Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?/For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."

This little Roswell blog seems to be getting much attention. It seems ave.joe has invited his friend the game to read and post. The Donkey would think they would be to busy with their own blogs to be commenting here. Of course they do not have as many readers as this blog.

Bush has said traitors are not welcome in his White House. He even said he would fire them. Why are ave.joe and the game against Bush? Traitors are low lifes who will be punishied. This no time to be soft on traitors.

1:58 PM, July 24, 2005  
Blogger Average Joe said...

Yes, I did invite my friend. Isn't he delightful? Perhaps you should stop resting on your laurels believing that this blog is "all that". I clicked Next Blog on a whim one day and came across this uninterrupted filth and said: "hey, let's stir things up". What The Game and I were seeking was debate and instead we got shoveled the same old excrement.

I, unlike ron and jackass, prefer to steer away from labels and sweeping statements. I also value certain facts over certain others. A memo and a disclosure statement were signed? So what? Yes, these are facts, but what do they have to do with Plame? I prefer to hold Rove's accountable for actions that violate a law, not some memo. How is comparing Rove's actions to a memo and disclosure agreement better than comparing them to a law? Is it possible that Rove's actions do not fit the definition of the law? If that is the case, then what are we talking about? I refer to my bag lunch argument above.

7:55 PM, July 24, 2005  
Blogger The Donkey said...

The Donkey has not posted it is Rove the traitor. Does ave.joe and the game deny that a betrayal happened? The leak was treason. The leak damaged this country's ability to gather intellegence. The label of traitor is the one I use for this criminal. Treason is a crime. Even Bush has said"leaks are bad things. He needs to do some hard work to find the traitors.

7:45 PM, July 25, 2005  
Blogger Ron said...

"How is comparing Rove's actions to a memo and disclosure agreement better than comparing them to a law? Is it possible that Rove's actions do not fit the definition of the law?"

DAAAAAAAAAA- It is the law!!!!!!

11:14 PM, July 25, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ron, this "game" person isn't worth the space on here to respond to -- talk about facts; they can't even back up anything on their own site (or at least hadn't when I visited, which I hadn't) with a link to stories, or anything.

Again, the pot calling the kettle black -- they scream for "facts" yet don't present any to present their own case with.

7:22 AM, August 03, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry, meant to say that I wish I hadn't --

7:27 AM, August 03, 2005  

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