Game Time!
Compare this to this. Who appears to make the most reasoned arguement? Which one strikes you as "intelligent"?
If you chose the later please return to that page every day and enjoy your sense of reality.
If you chose the first please go here, here and here everyday.
posted by Ron at 6:06 PM
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Is this part of the blog meant as another forum for The Lame Game?
Just curious.
It a chance for anyone that wants to to examine the choices of "liberal" media and decide who they want to follow. Who they want to take seriously and who's good for entertainment.
It's a forum for anyone who wants to speak. We've already gotten about as personal as you can get so let er fly!! :-)
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here is the same post without all the errors...
The people who read your blog (liberals) do not want an open forum...all you want is a bunch of yes men...all people who agree with your views...
And you say that the Right simply reads talking points. Just look at how man people will not get because someone has a different opinion...Ron, it should make you ashamed to be a liberal when everyone who agrees with you is so intolerant.
If it is the Left who is tolerant and can actually debate issues...name a few. And don't be like Jim and tell me ONE person who takes a different view than the party line...
Here are just a few of the many issues Republicans (including Rush and Sean) debate:
1. spending
2. border security
3. not agressive enough in Iraq
4. Appeasing liberals like Kennedy on education bill.
5. Harriet Miers
There are five...maybe you can come up with one if anyone can calm down from the emotional spasms that you are having after reading something from someone who actually thinks differently from you.
At my site it is encouraged and welcomed....lets see how tolerant and intellectually honest the liberals can be...I think we know the answer...
The donkey is busy trying to imagine you with a personality. Maybe you'd be less boring once the Donkey got to know you, but the Donkey does not want to take that chance. You are the kind of person who, when one first meets you, one doesn't like you. But when one gets to know you better, one hates you. You are a waste of flesh. You have no rhythm. You are ridiculous and obnoxious. You are the moral equivalent of a leech. You are a living emptiness, a meaningless void. You are sour and senile. You are a loathsome disease, a drooling inbred cross-eyed toesucker. You make Quakers shout and strike Pentecostals silent. You have a version 1.0 mind in a version 6.10 world. Your mother had to tie a pork chop around your neck just to get your dog to play with you. You believe that P.D.Q. Bach is the greatest composer who ever lived. You would rather read L. Ron Hubbard than Larry Niven. Hee-Haw is too deep for you. You would watch test patterns all day if the other inmates would let you.
donkey has made my point, and the rest of you will continue to make my point when you tell the donkey how great he is...
Cheney Spearheaded Effort to Discredit Wilson
By Jason Leopold
t r u t h o u t | Report
Thursday 09 February 2006
Vice President Dick Cheney and then-Deputy National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley led a campaign beginning in March 2003 to discredit former Ambassador Joseph Wilson for publicly criticizing the Bush administration's intelligence on Iraq, according to current and former administration officials.
The officials work or had worked in the State Department, the CIA and the National Security Council in a senior capacity and had direct knowledge of the Vice President's campaign to discredit Wilson.
In interviews over the course of two days this week, these officials were urged to speak on the record for this story. But they resisted, saying they had already testified before a grand jury investigating the leak of Wilson's wife, covert CIA operative Valerie Plame Wilson, and added that speaking out against the administration and specifically Vice President Cheney would cause them to lose their jobs and subject their families to vitriolic attacks by the White House.
The officials said they decided to speak out now because they have become disillusioned with the Bush administration's policies regarding Iraq and the flawed intelligence that led to the war.
They said their roles, along with several others at the CIA and State Department, included digging up or "inventing" embarrassing information on the former Ambassador that could be used against him, preparing memos and classified material on Wilson for Cheney and the National Security Council, and attending meetings in Cheney's office to discuss with Cheney, Hadley, and others the efforts that would be taken to discredit Wilson.
A former CIA official who has worked in the counter-proliferation division, and is familiar with the undercover work Wilson's wife did for the agency, said Cheney and Hadley visited CIA headquarters a day or two after Joseph Wilson was interviewed on CNN.
In the interview, which took place two and a half weeks before the start of the Iraq war, Wilson said the administration was more interested in redrawing the map of the Middle East to pursue its own foreign policy objectives than in dealing with the so-called terrorist threat.
"The underlying objective, as I see it, the more I look at this, is less and less disarmament, and it really has little to do with terrorism, because everybody knows that a war to invade and conquer and occupy Iraq is going to spawn a new generation of terrorists," Wilson said in a March 2, 2003, interview with CNN.
"So you look at what's underpinning this, and you go back and you take a look at who's been influencing the process. And it's been those who really believe that our objective must be far grander, and that is to redraw the political map of the Middle East," Wilson added.
But it wasn't Wilson who Cheney was so upset about when he visited the CIA in March 2003.
During the same CNN segment in which Wilson was interviewed, former United Nations weapons inspector David Albright made similar comments about the rationale for the Iraq war and added that he believed UN weapons inspectors should be given more time to search the country for weapons of mass destruction.
The National Security Council and CIA officials said Cheney had visited CIA headquarters and asked several CIA officials to dig up dirt on Albright, and to put together a dossier that would discredit his work that could be distributed to the media.
"Vice President Cheney was more concerned with Mr. Albright," the CIA official said. "The international community had been saying that inspectors should have more time, that the US should not set a deadline. The Vice President felt Mr. Albright's remarks would fuel the debate."
The officials said a "binder" was sent to the Vice President's office that contained material that could be used by the White House to discredit Albright if he continued to comment on the administration's war plans. However, it's unclear whether Cheney or other White House officials used the information against Albright.
A week later, Wilson was interviewed on CNN again. This was the first time Wilson ridiculed the Bush administration's intelligence that claimed Iraq tried to purchase yellowcake uranium from Niger.
"Well, this particular case is outrageous. We know a lot about the uranium business in Niger, and for something like this to go unchallenged by US - the US government - is just simply stupid. It would have taken a couple of phone calls. We have had an embassy there since the early '60s. All this stuff is open. It's a restricted market of buyers and sellers," Wilson said in the March 8, 2003, CNN interview. "For this to have gotten to the IAEA is on the face of it dumb, but more to the point, it taints the whole rest of the case that the government is trying to build against Iraq."
What Wilson wasn't at liberty to disclose during that interview, because the information was still classified, was that he had personally traveled to Niger a year earlier on behalf of the CIA to investigate whether Iraq had in fact tried to purchase uranium from the African country. Cheney had asked the CIA in 2002 to look into the allegation, which turned out to be based on forged documents, but was included in President Bush's January 2003 State of the Union address nonetheless.
Wilson's comments enraged Cheney, all of the officials said, because they were seen as a personal attack against the Vice President, who was instrumental in getting the intelligence community to cite the Niger claims in government reports to build a case for war against Iraq.
The former Ambassador's stinging rebuke also caught the attention of Stephen Hadley, who played an even bigger role in the Niger controversy, having been responsible for allowing President Bush to cite the allegations in his State of the Union address.
At this time, the international community, various media outlets, and the International Atomic Energy Association had called into question the veracity of the Niger documents. Mohammed ElBaradei, head of IAEA, told the UN Security Council on March 7, 2003, that the Niger documents were forgeries and could not be used to prove Iraq was a nuclear threat.
Wilson's comments in addition to ElBaradei's UN report were seen as a threat to the administration's attack plans against Iraq, the officials said, which would take place 11 days later.
Hadley had avoided making public comments about the veracity of the Niger documents, going as far as ignoring a written request by IAEA head Mohammed ElBaradei to share the intelligence with his agency so his inspectors could verify the claims. Hadley is said to have known the Niger documents were crude forgeries, but pushed the administration to cite it as evidence that Iraq was a nuclear threat, according to the State Department officials, who said they personally told Hadley in a written report that the documents were bogus.
The CIA and State Department officials said that a day after Wilson's March 8, 2003, CNN appearance, they attended a meeting at the Vice President's office chaired by Cheney, and it was there that a decision was made to discredit Wilson. Those who attended the meeting included I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Cheney's former chief of staff who was indicted in October for lying to investigators, perjury and obstruction of justice related to his role in the Plame Wilson leak, Hadley, White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove, and John Hannah, Cheney's deputy national security adviser, the officials said.
"The way I remember it," the CIA official said about that first meeting he attended in Cheney's office, "is that the vice president was obsessed with Wilson. He called him an 'asshole,' a son-of-a-bitch. He took his comments very personally. He wanted us to do everything in our power to destroy his reputation and he wanted to be kept up to date about the progress."
A spokeswoman for Cheney would not comment for this story, saying the investigation into the leak is ongoing. The spokeswoman refused to give her name. Additional calls made to Cheney's office were not returned.
The CIA, State Department and National Security Council officials said that early on they had passed on information about Wilson to Cheney and Libby that purportedly showed Wilson as being a "womanizer" and that he had dabbled in drugs during his youth, allegations that are apparently false, they said.
The officials said that during the meeting, Hadley said he would respond to Wilson's comments by writing an editorial about the Iraqi threat, which it was hoped would be a first step in overshadowing Wilson's CNN appearance.
A column written by Hadley that appeared in the Chicago Tribune on February 16, 2003, was redistributed to newspaper editors by the State Department on March 10, 2003, two days after Wilson was interviewed on CNN. The column, "Two Potent Iraqi Weapons: Denial and Deception" once again raised the issue that Iraq had tried to purchase uranium from Niger.
Cheney appeared on Meet the Press on March 16, 2003, to respond to ElBaradei's assertion that the Niger documents were forgeries.
"I think Mr. ElBaradei frankly is wrong," Cheney said during the interview. "[The IAEA] has consistently underestimated or missed what it was Saddam Hussein was doing. I don't have any reason to believe they're any more valid this time than they've been in the past."
Cheney knew the State Department had prepared a report saying the Niger claims were false, but he thought the report had no merit, the two State Department officials said. Meanwhile, the CIA was preparing information for the vice president and his senior aides on Wilson should the former ambassador decide to speak out against the administration again.
Behind the scenes, Wilson had been speaking to various members of Congress about the administration's use of the Niger documents and had said the intelligence the White House relied upon was flawed, said one of the State Department officials who had a conversation with Wilson. Wilson's criticism of the administration's intelligence eventually leaked out to reporters, but with the Iraq war just a week away, the story was never covered.
It's unclear whether anyone disseminated information on Wilson in March 2003, following the meeting in Cheney's office. Although the officials said they helped prepare negative information on Wilson about his personal and professional life and had given it to Libby and Cheney, Wilson seemed to drop off the radar once the Iraq war started on March 19, 2003.
With no sign of weapons of mass destruction to be found in Iraq, news accounts started to call into question the credibility of the administration's pre-war intelligence. In May 2003, Wilson re-emerged at a political conference in Washington sponsored by the Senate Democratic Policy Committee. There he told the New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristoff that he had been the special envoy who traveled to Niger in February 2002 to check out allegations that Iraq tried to purchase uranium from the country. He told Kristoff he briefed a CIA analyst that the claims were untrue. Wilson said he believed the administration had ignored his report and were dishonest with Congress and the American people.
When Kristoff's column was published in the Times, the CIA official said, "a request came in from Cheney that was passed to me that said 'the vice president wants to know whether Joe Wilson went to Niger.' I'm paraphrasing. But that's more or less what I was asked to find out."
In his column, Kristoff Had accused Cheney of allowing the truth about the Niger documents the administration used to build a case for war to go "missing in action." The failure of US armed forces to find any WMDs in Iraq in two months following the start of the war had been blamed on Cheney.
What in the previous months had been a request to gather information that could be used to discredit Wilson now turned into a full-scale effort involving the Office of the Vice President, the National Security Council, and the State Department to find out how Wilson came to be chosen to investigate the Niger uranium allegations.
"Cheney and Libby made it clear that Wilson had to be shut down," the CIA official said. "This wasn't just about protecting the credibility of the White House. For the vice president, going after Wilson was purely personal, in my opinion."
Cheney was personally involved in this aspect of the information gathering process as well, visiting CIA headquarters to inquire about Wilson, the CIA official said. Hadley had also raised questions about Wilson during this month with the State Department officials and asked that information regarding Wilson's trip to Niger be sent to his attention at the National Security Council.
That's when Valerie Plame Wilson's name popped up showing that she was a covert CIA operative. The former CIA official who works in the counter-proliferation division said another meeting about Wilson took place in Cheney's office, attended by the same individuals who were there in March. But Cheney didn't take part in it, the officials said.
"Libby led the meeting," one of the State Department officials said. "But he was just as upset about Wilson as Cheney was."
The officials said that as of late May 2003 the only correspondence they had had was with Libby and Hadley. They said they were unaware who had made the decision to unmask Plame Wilson's undercover CIA status to a handful of reporters.
George Tenet, the former director of the CIA, took responsibility for allowing what is widely referred to as the infamous "sixteen words" to be included in Bush's State of the Union address. Tenet's mea culpa came one day after Wilson penned an op-ed for the New York Times in which he accused the administration of "twisting" intelligence on Iraq. In the column, Wilson revealed that he was the special envoy who traveled to Niger to investigate the uranium claims.
Tenet is working on a book titled At the Center of the Storm with former CIA spokesman Bill Harlow, which it is expected will be published later this year. Tenet will reportedly come clean on how the "sixteen words made it into the President's State of the Union speech, according to publishersmarketplace.com, an industry newsletter.
Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, who has been investigating the Plame Wilson leak for more than two years, questioned Cheney about his role in the leak in 2004. Cheney did not testify under oath, and it's unknown what he told the special prosecutor.
On September 14, 2003, during an interview with Tim Russert of NBC's "Meet the Press," Cheney maintained that he didn't know Wilson or have any knowledge about his Niger trip or who was responsible for leaking his wife's name to the media.
"I don't know Joe Wilson," Cheney said, in response to Russert, who quoted Wilson as saying there was no truth to the Niger uranium claims. "I've never met Joe Wilson. And Joe Wilson - I don't who sent Joe Wilson. He never submitted a report that I ever saw when he came back ... I don't know Mr. Wilson. I probably shouldn't judge him. I have no idea who hired him."
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Jason Leopold spent two years covering California's electricity crisis as Los Angeles bureau chief of Dow Jones Newswires. Jason has spent the last year cultivating sources close to the CIA leak investigation, and is a regular contributer to t r u t h o u t.
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Hey Lame game:
Your post is a tedious, homogenised, chameleon-esque scribble which amounts to nothing more than the demented cacophonous racket of a drugged lunatic banging loudly on kitchen pots and pans. Your ineffective imitation of good posting style only serves to illuminate your lack of substance, good taste, and decency.
2 The Donkey: Ha! Ha! Hee! Hee! Keep 'em coming. The Game is lame and can not compete with you. :-)
Also, must remind Game that Liberal means broadminded, generous, and in favor of progress, reforms, and the protection of civil liberties. The so called liberal media is the unliberal media owned by giant corporations that want those darn tax breaks. At best, it sugar coats the truth; at worst it out and out lies. I totally believe YOUR president (not mine) is the worst leader this country has ever had. I believe he is more crazy than stupid and I, also, believe his Administration is fascist. They are not in favor of freedom of the press. The U.S. is very quickly becoming a DICKtatorship!
I wish more people could see how you think...the Democrats would never win an election...oh wait, they don't now.
Game, people comment. I am responsible for only my own. Each other person is resposible for that. My and many other peoples problem with the democrats is that they won't stand up to the right. I want someone to stand up for what I believe in but they are few and far between. That is why it seems so ridicolous to most when you talk about the evil liberals and dems. They are so harmless it would be harder to get less opposition. It appears to me that you just want to disagree and win the argument.It is hard for people to take many on the right seriously anymore. There is way too much evidence that the plan is not working. It is a failure all around. Some have just decided to go forward and not jump through hoops with you guys anymore. I can't say at this point I blame them. The 3 blogs I noted do just what you ask. They are built on the reasonable argument. I hardly think Limbaugh and Hannity are based on same. Like I said if you like them better please enjoy your sense of reality but I am not nor will never be there. They violate my fundamental values.
I want someone to stand up for what I believe in but they are few and far between.
So Ron, you believe in what the Donkey says then? You could have debate here if you wanted too...you know I agree with you sometimes. However, debate can not and will not happen here as long as you have intolerant people unwilling to debate any issue with someone who does not step to the party line.
While it is possible to debate some social issues with Game, I find it impossible to debate politics because all he can do is quote GOP propaganda and the vicious idiocy of Limbaugh and Co. He continues to demean Democrats and Liberals even when given the true definition of the latter on several occasions. Game, you're only getting back some of your own.
I have been a registered Democrat for the most part since age 18. I wish more Democratics would speak out, but like it or not, this seems to be a 2-Party country (at best) and I must vote Democratic to keep the Republicans out. They ought to post a photo of Tom Delay's backside beside each entrance to the House/Senate, so the GOP members can kiss it on their way in!
68 people dead in Baghdad today and they are saying civil war is looming. Bull! There's been a civil war going on for over a year. The dead/wounded are on your head, too, Game, because you continue to support the war criminals you "elected"!
And for the record, Al Gore won the popular vote. They counted the vote in Fla. after he conceded and he would've won the electoral vote and the election if the Supreme Court hadn't selected Bu$h. The exit polls showed that Kerry was going to win in 2004. I totally believe that the machines were rigged and that there was major disenfranchisement of Democratic voters. Why do you support cheaters and liars, Game? Why does Ron defend you on occasion when you so often insult him, too. Oh, I know why. Because no one else will!
Quote: The people who read your blog (liberals) do not want an open forum...all you want is a bunch of yes men...all people who agree with your views...
Look who's talking. A bushwhacked supposed "conservative" supporting the one man who's spending our tax $s (on an illegal war, among other things), just like a democrat.
Geez.
"However, debate can not and will not happen here as long as you have intolerant people unwilling to debate any issue with someone who does not step to the party line. "
Game, Mirror Mirror on the wall.
Many are tired of jumping through the rightwing hoops when the evidence that we were right is so apparent. What more evidence do you need than to look around you. Can't do better than that one. I think many have found it useless to debate when it appears the only goal is to "win" the argument. I sometimes agree with donkey, sometimes don't, as does he with me.
Will The Game dare to answer us? I don't see how he would be able to defend HIS President who has a 34% approval rating now. Speaking of free speech, Game, see my comment on Coffee Table.
Like most pussycats, I am content to purr unless my fur is rubbed the wrong way and you do that every time you quote Limbaugh's propaganda and then criticize us for not swallowing it. The Donkey could not make you look more ridiculous than you make yourself look. You are so deep in denial, that if you saw Cleopatra's ghost you'd refuse to believe your own eyes. LOL
Ciao (and Peace)!
Well, I tried once again...not worth trying to debate with you people...
you say the same stupid crap over and over, never actualy respond to anything besides saying Bush is stupid, a lair, a criminal, in an illegal war...ya, and thats not "talking points"
And Ron seems to have starting taking intolerant, mind numbing pills...he used to be able to say a few intelligent things, now just repeats the same crap all the other far left wing moonbats say.
Oh yeah, we LOVE the double post. Game. *smirk*
That's how you debate?
:-p~~~~~~~~~~
For those who didn't notice, he also posted his last post in this thread to here.
Good god. Just like GWB. A frikkin' broken record...
"WAR ON TERROR! WAR ON TERROR! WAR ON TERROR!"
"POST CRAP! POST CRAP! POST CRAP!"
"EVILDOERS! EVILDOERS! EVILDOERS!"
I'm beginning to see why they call him lame game.
He probably double dips in the party chip mix.
"same crap all the other far left wing moonbats say."
What would a "moderate moonbat" look like?
we've simply watched what has been effective for you guys. After decades of being polite while limbaugh and bunch lowered the rhetoric to gutter level we've come to the conclusion that hate speech is effective in swaying opinion so take that you bigoted fascist, the truth hurts you sack of treasonus nazi excrement.
Oh Ron, must you be so harsh? You should be trying to get the lame game used to reality, not rubbing his nose in it. Please stop, The donkey can only laugh so much.
LMAO
Now I'm laughing so hard I don't know if I'll be able to stop long enough to get ready for work!
Game, do you really want me to say something besides Bush is a liar, a cheater, ...? You don't want to find out how scary "Scary Cat" can get. LOL
How about:
Lame Game, you are nothing but a bloated flea hanging off the parasite ridden body of The Yellow Rat of Texas!
I'm not gonna waste my time trying to debate politics with someone who thinks that crazy Coulter twit is the wisest woman on the planet, so don't waste your time dreaming the impossible dream!
Also, Ron, you silver tongued devil, you must be taking lessons from The Donkey. LOL Pretty good, tho.
Quote: the game:
If it is the Left who is tolerant and can actually debate issues...name a few. And don't be like Jim and tell me ONE person who takes a different view than the party line...
Here are just a few of the many issues Republicans (including Rush and Sean) debate:
1. spending
2. border security
3. not agressive enough in Iraq
4. Appeasing liberals like Kennedy on education bill.
5. Harriet Miers
1. spending -- way too much on an illegal war. 'nuf said. Nothing more to say to this one. All those billions of $s would have MUCH better been spent on a nationalized medical system for our country, and I would be able to afford to get my mammogram right now that's needed so desperately, without having to keep feeding these greedy drug whores at the corporate level.
2. border security -- the fact that we even need it is ludicrous. If you believe, truly believe, that all these millions of illegal immigrants from down south are actually TERRORISTS, you are living in a dream world. They are actually real people like you and me seeking a real life from a country who mistakenly lead them to believe that there WAS and IS an America and an American dream to come to, just like we used to do with the Irish.
3. not agressive enough in Iraq -- We need to be AGGRESSIVE in Iraq???? More so than we are now??? Bombing the hell out of thousands and thousands of innocent people, just to get to a handful that the American gov't supposedly suspects are actual TERRORISTS???????? The ones the American gov't in reality makes firearms agreements with, to make more money??? F* U GAME!!!
4. Appeasing liberals like Kennedy on education bill. --
Well, I'm willing to appease anyone necessary on this issue, whatever the party, or whoever they are; the American educational system STINKS!!! We've dropped down on world-wide standards so low, that SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE. I don't care where it comes from or what it is, as long as it HELPS this sorry sack of SHIT we call education!!! It's abominable what we teach our students here, both from K through college, and it needs to be STOPPED.
5. Harriet Miers -- who the hell cares.
So much for your "issues", you nazi sunuvab*. And you deserve every one of them.
Want more??? BRING IT ON.
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Oh, and btw, I could care less about "party line"... I AM INDEPENDENT, and proud of it. I just prefer to see what can be seen from all angles, and go from there on what makes sense, rather than tout a bunch of neocon frikkin' rhetoric.
Now, go take your fascist pill for the day and go play.
Oh, and lame as hell game, I also fail to see how agression in a country more than half-way 'round the world should or could affect the people in the one I'm currently living in.
The only reason the aggression is THERE is because of this country.
Now, logically speaking, shouldn't we let them resolve their own differences over there, and get the hell out of there ourselves? We DON'T belong there. Never did. This is totally UNDISPUTABLE, logically speaking.
Give 'im h*ll, Dedanna! One would think a teacher would be feeling a little sick at the thought of all the Iraqi children who are growing up in the midst of this civil war and the PTSD they are suffering, not to mention the thousands who have been killed and wounded, and not just by suicide bombers, Game! How many innocent people were killed when we bombed Baghdad, Fallujah, etc. What about the children who are suffering from malnutrition, no electricity, no decent medical care, etc.? Infants and children are NOT terrorists, Game. Or are we supposed to overlook that because of the color of their skin and their religion? Bull! Children are children and it is wrong to do this to them and all for oil which we aren't getting after all and billions of dollars in profits for the military industrial complex. Even if you don't have children of your own you teach them. Have you no empathy for others? Shame on Game!
*Dedanna takes a bow*
Thank you very much! :)
Oh, and one very last note on this subject:
Want to catch the REAL terrorists?
Take even an nth of what we've spent on the war in Iraq, and get up off your ass and catch these murders, rapists, thieves, and dope dealers we've got right here in our own towns.
I'VE BEEN RAPED, I'VE BEEN ROBBED FROM, AND I'VE SEEN A LOT OF DOPE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, so don't even screw with me on this subject you bigoted fascist neocon sorry sack of shit. I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT HERE.
Dedanna;
I am sorry to hear these terrible things have happened to you. I have been lucky and have not been the victim of violent crime. My neighbor was killed a few weeks ago by another neighbor. Oddly I seem to know many of the murder victims here in Roswell. I seem to know many of the killers also.
The police claim violent crime is going down in Roswell. I do not have any evidence to say different. It makes little difference to the victims, one crime is one too many for them.
Well, it's like this, like here where I am:
The other night, I started to go outside (front of my own damned house, for chrissake) to smoke a cigarette, as I don't smoke indoors anywhere.
I opened the door, started to open the screen door as well, and instantly stopped opening the screen door, and stood there and just watched.
The cops (parked right in front of my house) were chasing one guy that I could see, and more cop cars kept cruising on in. Across the street from my front door itself is a dumpster in the alley -- (guess you'd have to see a pic) that's where the cops finally were able to stop the one guy.
First thing I did was dial 911, and ask if they had gotten all the ppl they were going to, because I want to know if it's ok to go out and smoke a cigarette in front of my own doggone house, you know. *smirk*
They said yeah, they had 'em.
Well, check this out:
SIX goddamn cop cars clogging up my block,,,,,,,,,,,,,
ONE goddamn guy. One of the cop cars almost hit ours pulling out.
I hollered at them not even to hit the cars, but they didn't listen, so I hollered at them again with it. It took my third holler to get their attention.
I told them *ahem* and also, SIX of you mutha fuckas just to get one guy????????? You can't do any better than that??????? No wonder this place is a sack of shit.
Then, I called 911 back again, and told 'em to radio those arseholes 'n tell them to get up off their butts and go get some more.
Think it happened? Nope.
BULLSHIT, I tell ya.
Oh, and it's okay Donkey what I've been through. I'm not trying to play victim here. I was just making the point that because of having had the experiences I've had, I do know what I'm talking about on that subject is all. Sometimes y'gotta shoot ppl square between the eyes to make them open theirs.
In a way, I'd rather that I've been what I've been through. This way I do have open eyes, and am not a stupid brainwashed sack of shit like the majority of this country. At least I can see what our tax $ are truly being spent on, and it sure in the hell ain't us.
I guess my point is this: Game needs a good dose of what the real people live in this sorry sack of shit we call a "country", even in the best of neighborhoods, to see that his b.s. of a fantasy world about "politics" doesn't work, and won't work. Period.
America is supposed to be about its people, right???
Oh wait. GWB's our president. That's right. It's all about everything and everyone else now (and it's all in other countries, sorry folks).
GWB's not MY President! Gore or esp. Kerry would be if the fascist pigs in charge hadn't cheated BOTH times.
Also, sorry to hear that bad things have happened to you, Dedanna. It's a scary world, out there. Some years back, my oldest son was slugged and knocked unconscious by some gangbanger or such from out of town who asked him how to find the Walgreen's. It's one of those things that makes me think I probably wouldn't be an objective juror in an assault case involving gang members.
Neither would I dc, neither would I be. I'm sorry to hear about your son, too.
My son got a broken collar bone from a bunch of them when he was a small child. It's truly scary.
The thing is, though, that something needs to be done about stuff like that, and we're certainly not going to get it from this government. So, we're left with either taking the law into our own hands (and I'm seriously thinking on that one), or bend over.
GWB's not my president either, but I guess officially he is of the U.S., unfortunately. Sigh.
It's the old saying of "sh* rolls downhill". The government can't even police itself with all the money hiding (and spending) up there. So much worse it is for the people here.
Now, take that, and magnify it by 200,000 at least (if not more), and that would show us what this government is doing to the people of Iraq.
Imagine... all the rapes, murders, etc., on top of our bombing, and it's sickening. Totally sickening. Makes me want to throw up.
The government of America should be ashamed of itself. We have nothing but lawlessness around us; we have more poverty now than ever; everything is upside down in the U.S. right now, and all the U.S. government does is keep bombing and bombing and thieving from others themselves.
Anyone who could support this in any way is insane.
I guess my point is this: Game needs a good dose of what the real people live in this sorry sack of shit we call a "country", even in the best of neighborhoods, to see that his b.s. of a fantasy world about "politics" doesn't work, and won't work. Period.
Dedanna, I think you are missing the argument here. Game actually works with kids everyday and many minorities too. He feels connected to their world too.
The thing is he thinks all the bad stuff is a result of liberal policies. That is the point that needs to be argued. He also feels that when the government "props people up" it makes them weaker and not stronger...Game if I missed it please feel free to correct me. Anyway, those are the real issues here. Along with the perception of reality.
What I was saying, Ron. BUT, the "man" is so blind-sighted that it's unreal.
He feels connected to kids. To the real kids.
Probably to brainwash them while they're still young to the neocon agenda.
He can say that he feels connected to their world, but I suspect a connection more to making them part of his. In reality, he's saying one thing and doing another. Anyone, and I mean anyone, who is truly "connected" to anyone like that would walk in with their eyes wide open, and they would know that it's nothing but b.s. we're getting in this country, rather than spout its neocon rhetoric.
Defend him all you want. I'm not buying.
Ok, let me put it like this then:
I've already raised a real issue here.
Spending. All those billions of $ going to an illegal war, when we could have decent education, crime control, and the needs in this country are being completely neglected.
Anyone who can say "I teach kids, yay" in one sentence, then turn right 'round and support what is neglectful to them, has no respect in my eyes at all. Anyone, who can not stand up and speak and do what is right for this country, rather than go the "ra-ra America" routine has no respect from me at all.
Want to debate issues? I've brought up several real ones. Go for it.
Period.
Does Game feel connected to IRAQI kids? This is my point. There are far too many ultra-patriotic ultra-christian people out there who support this immoral and illegal war. They plaster inane bumper stickers that say things like "Freedom isn't free." all over their vehicles, attend pro-life rallies (war isn't pro-life), and pray for Bush, the troops & their familes (me, too, for this), and talk about how our guys are over there fighting for our freedom and for democracy. Yet, they refuse to look at what's going on or think about the cost of this war to the Iraqi people and especially to the children. I want to hear Game and his wretched excuse for a President say they suffer over what is happening to these Iraqi kids.
Also, go to www.democracynow.org to see transcript of interview Amy did with a woman from Code Pink and 5 Iraqi women who are protesting the Iraq War (you won't see this on the unliberal media).
Also, Cindy got arrested protesting in NY. Goddess bless her. She's the Rosa Parks of our times. :-)
Peace!
Amen, and thank you. :)
The sorry thing is that they don't suffer over it. They take pride in it. Makes me sick.
Makes two of us, and if I hear one more time about how these things happen in wartime...yadda yadda yadda...I may puke! Children are NOT collateral damage.
Got that right.
100% agreed on the Christian agenda, too, dc. Another thing that makes me sick, is seeing all these hypocrites going around supporting the war, and spouting their rhetoric.
Btw, did you see "Just for you, Game" on another thread concerning this subject?
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Funny. lame game hasn't posted another single thing to this thread, yet has what he considers a good put-down at the top thread now for those he thinks are lame for calling him lame game.
Shallow minds, I tell ya. How many real issues were posted here (to include the brainwashing of the american public) to respond to, and he has no response?
Chicken sh*. Sounds like my ex. :-p
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