Thursday, November 03, 2005

Coffee Table

MMMMMM.....Goooood Coffee


Blogger The Game said...

I have been reluctant to write about this, but I think the time is right. I have seen what the lack of expectations, discipline and consequences has produced. I see first hand every day what happens when people's immoral and destructive actions are appeased. Here are a two stories for you...

Last week, before school, a group of parents came to school. They either watched kids beat up other kids by the bus stop...or help kids beat up other kids. This is not uncommon. Parents come to school all the time looking to fight other kids. The punishment is nothing. Cops have to come and everyone "talks"

At another high school, guns are found in the garbage can, 21 squad cars are called into school multiple times. Of course, the problem is not the students or the kids, but the teachers and the structure of the school. This is the problem...People are not responsible for themselves...It is societies fault, or the white mans fault, or racism, or slavery, or lack of jobs, or drugs, or, or, or...
So this is what you get...

At a K through 8 school, a riot occurred with all 60 8th grade students. The riot ended with many, many classrooms destroyed and a student stabbed. The SWAT team was called in to calm the situation. Central office was never called because the Principal did not want the school to look bad.....There is the problem....the school is bad, the kids are bad....teachers are scared to go to school, they lock themselves in their rooms, they fear for their lives....

What page of the newspaper are these stories on???? Page nada. Why? People don't want to hear or report the truth....they don't want to know that much of their city is a war zone, a third world country. There are people all around making sure that things never change. Expectations are kept low, excuses are made, consequences do not fit the crime, the participants could give a shit.

What do we do about it? More programs? Reparations? Blame? Money? What????

My only and simple answer is to start bringing personal responsibility back to the inner cities. It has to be done from the inside, by their own leaders. That is all I have for an answer...everything tried so far has been a 100% complete failure.

7:49 PM, November 03, 2005  
Blogger Ron said...

Game, I share your bewilderment to a point on this. I agree that your situation is a big part of the answer. I appreciate the fact that you would like to help bring about change instead of just hate or complain too.
I think one thing it is easy to lose sight of, especially the younger you are, is that blacks have been told that they were inferior and treated that way for centuries in this country. Talk about lack of expectations! Talk about something ingrained into culture! We have been making mighty efforts to change that for the last 40 years and much has taken hold. Unfortunatley, I fear there are many who feel they really don't have a chance. I agree with the personal responsibility statement. I think we need personal responsibility in far more than the inner city these days. Regardless somehow we must find a way to make them understand that their contribution is important and necessary. In the long run they are going to feel far better about life if it is a positive contribution rather than a negative one. Certainly this is a long term answer and other things may need to be done in the immediate. I have little sympathy for criminals and thug boys.

I wonder why the media wouldn't cover those stories though. As a media person those all sound really juicy to me. I can't imagine letting those slide. Certainly I would say if it is happening they certainly aren't doing their profession any favors. This is stuff people need to know to make good decisions.

10:41 PM, November 03, 2005  
Blogger The Donkey said...

Not once did the game mention what skin color the people in his post were. However Ron did. Since the game did not give detail of what schools, it is hard to verify his assertions.

If the game is concerned about violence in school, it is about time he woke up. A quick review shows this is a very old problem.

A Time Line of Recent Worldwide School Shootings

1:21 PM, November 04, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have always maintained that God must want us to have lousy parents. Why else are so many good people who would be great parents and who want children desperately not able to have children, while people who should not even be AROUND children have them by the litter?? Before anyone gets upset, that was SATIRE!!
A lot of the problem, I think, is children having children and parents who let their kids run them. How many times do you hear parents say they can't do anything with their kids?? Hogwash!! Parents need to let their kids know who is in control from day one. Yet many do not have the knowledge, skill, or fortitude to do that.
I do not think the problem of poor parenting is unique to black people. White parents are just as guilty of thinking their kid can do no wrong.
Game, this was a good post by you. I do understand, though, the residual resentment blacks have against the white power structure, and how that resentment might sometimes factor in to what goes wrong.


4:46 PM, November 04, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Colin Powel's Chief of Staff links memos and directives about abuse to Cheney's office. This, combined with Gen. Janice Karpinsky's book ought to be enough to cook Cheney's goose!! We need to start calling our congress people to demand Cheney be fired or impeached.

From the International Herald Tribune:
Former Powell aide links Cheney's office to abuse directives
Agence France-Presse

WASHINGTON Vice President Dick Cheney's office was responsible for directives that led to U.S. soldiers' abusing prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan, a former top State Department official said Thursday.

Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, former chief of staff to Colin Powell, then the secretary of state, told National Public Radio he had traced a trail of memos and directives authorizing questionable detention practices up through Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld's office directly to Cheney's staff.

"The secretary of defense under cover of the vice president's office," Wilkerson said, "regardless of the president having put out this memo" - "they began to authorize procedures within the armed forces that led to what we've seen."

He said the directives contradicted a 2002 order by President George W. Bush for the U.S. military to abide by the Geneva conventions against torture.

"There was a visible audit trail from the vice president's office through the secretary of defense, down to the commanders in the field," authorizing practices that led to the abuse of detainees, Wilkerson said.

The directives were "in carefully couched terms," Wilkerson conceded, but said they had the effect of loosening the reins on U.S. troops, leading to many cases of prisoner abuse, including at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison, that were contrary to the Geneva Conventions.

"If you are a military man, you know that you just don't do these sorts of things," Wilkerson said, because troops will take advantage, or feel so pressured to obtain information that "they have to do what they have to do to get it."

He said that Powell had assigned him to investigate the matter after reports emerged in the media about U.S. troops abusing detainees in Iraq and Afghanistan. Both men had formerly served in the U.S. military.

Wilkerson also called David Addington, the vice president's lawyer, "a staunch advocate of allowing the president in his capacity as commander in chief to deviate from the Geneva Conventions."

On Monday, Cheney promoted Addington to his chief of staff to replace I. Lewis Libby, who has been indicted over the unmasking of a CIA agent.

Wilkerson also told National Public Radio that Cheney's office ran an "alternate national security staff" that spied on and undermined the president's formal National Security Council.

He said National Security Council staff stopped sending e-mails when they found out Cheney's staff members were reading their messages.

He said he believed that Cheney's staff prevented Bush from seeing a National Security Council memo arguing strongly that the United States needed many more troops for the March 2003 invasion and occupation of Iraq.

Wilkerson also said that the former CIA chief George Tenet did not inform Cheney's office of key weaknesses in the government's argument that Saddam Hussein had or was seeking weapons of mass destruction.

That argument was central to the Bush administration's justifications for the Iraq war.

4:54 PM, November 04, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sign at the D.C. "the World Can't Wait" Rally on Wednesday judged best by AlterNet:



5:11 PM, November 04, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Excerpt from a soldier's blog. He said he was a staunch Republican when he went in and indicates that now he is not.

“There are battles which need to be fought and there are battles which serve no good purpose. Afghanistan and Bin Laden lay forgotten as if they were discarded toys left by a spoiled child. Iraq is the new frontier of poor foreign policy and poor planning. Even the soldiers can see it. Why do you think nobody is re-enlisting? They don't want…to fight a lo[o]sing battle and to die for an empty promise…that somehow staying in Iraq makes America safer.
We have created a martyr factory here, and we are beginning to wade through the next Vietnam. How wrong do you want to be before you…send the troops home? 2,000 dead?… How about 10,000?"


5:14 PM, November 04, 2005  
Anonymous Democat said...

I agree with you to a point, Game. These people do need to take some personal reponsibility and clean up their neighborhoods, be decent role models to their kids, etc. What you're describing is pretty horrible. I agree, especially, about teachers and schools being blamed for this, just like they are blamed for the poor test scores of kids who are watching TV or playing video/computer games instead of doing homework.
Having been a victim of bullying, myself, in my school days, and having children who have been bullied, I am very ticked off at parents who will not discipline their kids and teach them not to "pick on" or worse yet beat up on kids smaller or weaker than themselves. A lot of the time, too, the kids learned this anti-social behavior from their parents. Another thing, that disgusts me is the parents who do drugs, sometimes even when they have grown children and grandchildren. You'd think that by the time they were that old they would've given up that kind of thing. Jeez!
However, cutting social programs isn't really the answer. Poverty breeds despair and that leads to a lot of crime, unwedparenthood, and substance abuse. Good male role models, neighborhood watches, anti-drug/gang programs, afterschool programs, daycare, and sex education are needed, too. And much as I deplore the Christian Right, I'm OK with church/spirituality, so that's a positive thing for the people to do, also.

5:14 PM, November 04, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh, boy! Best not to start talking about blow jobs on the blog as Ron might start thinking about Kelly Le Brock, get all excited, and lose control of his mouse. :-)

5:19 PM, November 04, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For Republicans; the (supposed) party of fiscal responsibility who want to cut school lunches so they can have $70 billion more in tax cuts:

Bush Administration Breaks Record
Administration Borrows more from Foreign Nations than Previous 42 Presidents Combined

Washington, D.C. - President George W. Bush and the current Administration have now borrowed more money from foreign governments and banks than the previous 42 U.S. presidents combined.

Throughout the first 224 years (1776-2000) of our nation's history, 42 U.S. presidents borrowed a combined $1.01 trillion from foreign governments and financial institutions according to the U.S. Treasury Department. In the past four years alone (2001-2005), the Bush Administration has borrowed a staggering $1.05 trillion.


8:57 AM, November 05, 2005  
Blogger BeWitchingWizard said...

Tsk, Tsk, is that green in your eyes, Kelly LeBrock will never come to Roswell - to the deteriment of the male population. And Yes G A M E We're Back, aren't you you just thrilled to death - The Maniac

3:02 PM, November 05, 2005  
Blogger Ron said...

Mouse get back here!!!

6:14 PM, November 05, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Baghdad Girl Blogger finally wrote again today. About what the Iran/Iraq war meant to families there and what this occupation means. But if you are pressed for time, start about the 10th paragraph down where she writes about how counter-productive it has all been, and WHY it would be better if we left. This is the link:

I wish our Congress people would read her and other Iraqi bloggers. OR the opinions of people who live in or know the Middle East and who, unlike Chalabi, aren't proven opportunistic criminals.


2:11 PM, November 06, 2005  
Blogger Ron said...

I guess the white house felt more comfortable among opportunistic criminals. People are always more comfortable with like minded individuals. Who was it that said "we are known by the company we keep"

3:25 PM, November 06, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To quote Molly Ivins, "These people are going to kill irony." Bush, who has increased the poverty rate every year he's been in office, lectures Chavez who HAS helped the poor in his country on 'not providing for his people.'

Then he talks about "Democracy" when we helped overthrow Aristide AND CHavez, both of whom were democratically elected. It boggles the mind that ANYONE at all pays attention to this lying clown.


3:33 PM, November 06, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Bewitching Wizard:
Nope, no green in my blue eyes. If possible, I have less than no interest in Ron's mouse. Have noticed that Ron has said that he is very interested in the female form, but he should have added-especially those female forms that are 20-30 years younger than his and look like Kelly, Angelina, and Jessica. Sure hope Ron and Wizard are enjoying their mid-life crisises-Ha! Just goes to prove what I always say-down deep inside most guys are hound dogs!

3:43 PM, November 06, 2005  
Anonymous Democat said...

Some neat comments from
Carlos Santana (USA Weekend)
The difference between spirituality and religion:
"Spirituality is saying,'May the heavens open up and angels bless everyone with a deep awareness of his own light.' Religion says only Jesus got the light, you're full of (expletive), and you are in the dark. They are the only ones that got it, and you've gotta go through them to get it. Man, in this life the only thing that's holy is your relationship with your heart, your family, and the air you breathe.
A message to America:
America is like a teenager who does not know consequences and responsibility. We create, with consiousness or lack of, everything that is happening to us. There is a difference between the love of power and the power of love, and America is functioning with the love of power. Until we open our hearts and see and feel the pain of people around the world, there will be more hatred.

3:53 PM, November 06, 2005  
Blogger The Game said...

I'm not sure that what happended hundreds of years ago affects kids today...yes, I know blacks were treated pretty bad even up through the 60's, but I don't believe they have to feel helpless fact, they have more people helping them than ever before...

I think it was dedanna or whatever the name is who said that donkey and I should stop name calling ....

of course it is only coming from one side...just another example posted on this thread...but I never accused anyone here of being able to see things clearly, so I'll continue to get blamed even though it only comes from one side...

and I"m sure the like donkey had refers to white kids shooting up schools....very true and very not what I was talking about

7:03 PM, November 06, 2005  
Blogger The Donkey said...

Hey Lame Game;
What was your point? You seem to have forgotton the things you called the Donkey. Mean spirted, evil, hateful were just a few things you have said. Not once did the Donkey post "white kids shooting up schools." You whine about what the donkey posts yet continue to annoy. You must realy need some attention, you are a lonely excuse of a man.

You're so boring, even a boomerang wouldn't come back to you. Is there anything the donkey needs to know about you other than your a grungy social outcast? You lack even the dim flicker of sentience needed to qualify as a imbecile; the donkey takes it back, The donkey would not want to insult the imbecile.Maybe you wouldn't come across as such a jellyfish-sucking mental midget if you didn't have that botched back street lobotomy that left you that crisscrossed shoelace scar on your forehead. A curse upon you, you menace to the innocent, for you will be chased across the desert by sex-starved camels. The Donkey sees that you are fluent in Gibbering Moronese. The Donkey can summon the strength to mock your moronic opinions and malformed comments about boring trivia or your other drivel.

1:09 AM, November 07, 2005  
Blogger The Game said...

not one intelligent comment listed, impressive...and you are mean spirited and prove it every time you open your mouth...

1:17 PM, November 07, 2005  
Anonymous Democat said...

Re: older men liking younger women. Seems to be true. Was reading about remarriage among divorcees recently. Most women who divorce are likely to remarry, but the number is higher when they are in their 20s, lower in their 30s, and still lower in their 40s and 50s. A major reason is that the men in their age group who remarry often marry younger women. Guess, too many of 'em think like
The Donald, Tom Cruise, Michael Douglas, etc. Plus most women in their age bracket aren't Demi Moore, etc. so younger men aren't an option. :-(
There ought to be a T-shirt or bumper sticker that says:
"Hounddoggin'-It's a guy thing!"
cuz that's the truth.

3:46 PM, November 07, 2005  
Blogger Ron said...

Game, It wasn't hundreds of years ago! It was FOR hundreds of years. I agree that they shouldn't feel helpless but they obviously do. You are right, they DO have lots of people helping them. I still say my answer is to find a way to show them that a positive contribution to live is far more rewarding than a negative one. Sure there are other things to. As democat said, poor parenting is a big problem. We will never eliminate it completely. We can only hope to minimize it. I want these people to buck up as bad as you do. I am not one for the pity pot. It seems to me though that the rights answer is just let them sleep in the woods and eat berries if they can't cut it. I think that answer causes far more problems than it fixes. When they break the law I am all in favor of firm punishment. The prison system is a whole nother topic. I think it should be wildly different than it is today. In short, I think they should be self sustaining with inmates working a farm or building or making stuff every day. I know that cuts out private enterprise but so be it. It, I believe, would pay big dividends in society in the long run. You go to prison, You've got a full time job.

8:17 PM, November 07, 2005  
Blogger The Donkey said...

Hey Lame game:

I hope, pray and dream that you shall have your gonads stung by a swarm of African bees, you odious leach-covered blob of quivering slime. You wouldn't know a clue if it walked up to you, bit you on the ass, and announced 'I AM A CLUE'. However, The Donkey will consider letting you have the last word if you guarantee it will be your last. The Donkey suggests you need Mark Twain's advice; "It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt."

11:28 PM, November 07, 2005  
Blogger The Donkey said...

To the Democat:

Who let the dogs out (woof, woof, woof, woof)
Who let the dogs out (woof, woof, woof, woof)
Who let the dogs out (woof, woof, woof, woof)
Who let the dogs out (woof, woof, woof, woof)

Say, A doggy is nuttin' if he don't have a bone All dogy hold ya' bone, all doggy hold it
A doggy is nuttin' if he don't have a bone All dogy hold ya' bone, all doggy hold it

The donkey knows this stupid song will run in your head for days.

11:34 PM, November 07, 2005  
Anonymous Democat said...

No, Donkey. It won't cuz it ain't "Tomorrow" from "Annie". (No!!! Can't start singing that in my head!!!)
Well, hey, you guys don't have to like what I said about hounddoggin'. Last I heard it's still a free country and even
40-Something divorcees are allowed to express their opinions.
Wizard tells me that it's just the way guys are programmed. Yeah, that's probably true. :-(
Color me disillusioned!

3:54 PM, November 08, 2005  
Anonymous Democat said...

Re: Today's show. Pretty good. Nice to see "The Maniac" back. It's nice just to listen and not shoot off my own mouth sometimes. ;-)
Re: the phosphorous things. I have no doubt they were used as weapons and not as illumination. We had no problem with dropping napalm on little children and women in Vietnam when we had human beings (even Nixon counts) instead of monsters in human clothing (supported by sheep in human clothing) in charge. I have been "screaming" about us dropping bombs on babies and children for well over a year but I doubt that Dick Cheney and the other PNACers feel any guilt about burning toddlers up. They are EVIL people and MONEY is their god.
Re: the riots in France. People in Europe are allowed to dissent and protest. It seems to me that I have read that the French have done this often enough. It is interesting that it is because of a RIGHTWING government AGAIN- like in the 60s-right? This idea about true assimilation is laughable. Yeah, maybe in some science fiction novel like "The Giver" or "1984". People are not likely to want to give up their cultural heritages. Rush Limbaugh is a big fat idiot, but I bet he celebrates St. Patrick's Day, eats pizza, tacos, chow mein, and kielbasa, and celebrates Christmas with all the pagan traditions we adopted for it. I'm for English as the official language, but I'm all for multi-culturalism, too. It would be VERY boring if we were all the same.
Also, the stuff about the spying (Patriot Act) yesterday. Scary!!

4:16 PM, November 08, 2005  
Blogger Ron said...

I'm a very open minded guy. I'm up for older or younger, I just want someone who is an asset, to me and others and someone who is a variety of ways. That outweighs older or younger.

9:51 PM, November 08, 2005  
Blogger The Donkey said...

To the Democat:
It is time you the truth about men.

Artist/Band: Byrd Tracy
Lyrics for Song: The Truth About Men
Lyrics for Album: Truth About Men
(Tim Johnson/Rory Lee/Paul Overstreet)

We don't like to go out shoppin',
We don't care what's on sale.
We just want to sit with a bag full of chips,
Watchin' the NFL.
When you come over at half-time,
An' say: "Does this dress fit too tight?"
We just look you in the eye with a big fat lie,
An say:"Uh, uh: Looks just right."

Well, that's the truth about men.
Yeah, that's the truth about us.
We like to hunt and golf on our days off,
Scratch, an' spit, an cuss.
It don't matter what line we hand you,
When we come draggin' in.
We ain't wrong; we ain't sorry,
An' it's probably gonna happen again.

We hate watchin' "Steel Magnolias".
We like "Rambo" an' "Die Hard 4".
Jump up and down like fools when we see the new tools,
At the Home Depot store.
We don't really wanna take you to dinner,
At some fancy restaurant.
The only reason we do is 'cause we know it leads to,
The one thing that we all want.

Well, that's the truth about men.
Yeah, that's the truth about guys.
We'd rather play guitars and work on cars,
Than work on the problems in our lives.
An' though we might say it to you,
Every now and then,
We ain't wrong; we ain't sorry,
An' it's probably gonna happen again.

Well, if you want to know what we're all thinkin',
It's nothing too complex.
It's just somethin' cold for drinkin',
And a whole lot of s-e......

Yes, that's the truth about men.
Yeah, that's the truth about us.
We like to hunt and golf an' drive around, lost,
Scratch, an' spit, an' a whole lot of other disgustin' stuff.
It don't matter what line we hand you,
When we come a-crawlin' in.
We ain't wrong; we ain't sorry,
An' it's probably gonna happen again.

We ain't wrong; we ain't sorry,
An' it's probably gonna happen;
Sure, it's gonna happen;
You know it's gonna happen again.
An' that's the truth about men.

You know it, son.

10:57 PM, November 08, 2005  
Blogger The Donkey said...

A 14-year-old high school freshman shot and killed an assistant principal and wounded two staff. Another sad day for America.

12:27 AM, November 09, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's one for you, Ron. I have had the entire article since it came out in August of 2003. It is called "Dubya Indemnity" by Chris Floyd. But this is an excerpt I am putting in an article I am writing:

. In May of 2003, one of President Bush’s first acts of the occupation was to sign Executive Order 13303. As Chris Floyd wrote in “Dubya Indemnity,” in the order

“Bush proclaims that any legal action taken for any reason against any American corporation dealing in "Iraqi petroleum products" at any point in the process -- from well-head to gas-pump to boardroom -- "constitutes an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security" of the United States… The Bush edict grants a blanket immunity to all traffickers in Iraqi oil -- as long as their moolah finds its way, by hook or crook, into the coffers of "United States persons or entities." Bush declares flatly that any "judicial process" launched against these protected entities "shall be deemed null and void." And how to guarantee that his partners and patrons won't be troubled by some rogue nation that still clings to the outmoded principle of law and order? Simple: One of the agencies authorized to "employ all powers" necessary "to carry out the purposes of this order" is our old friend, the Defense Department.”


12:21 PM, November 09, 2005  
Anonymous Democat said...

Ha Ha! Donkey. I ought to print that one out and send it to most of the women I know. Sounds like the lyricist should write a book called "Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Men, You Could've Learned on "Home Improvement" Instead of Buying This Book."
And Ron: it's nice to know there are SOME guys out there who aren't totally shallow. Hope you do find your ideal mate someday (when you get over the one who is almost a perfect match, that is). :-)

5:29 PM, November 09, 2005  
Anonymous Democat said...

Re: today's show-listening to 2nd caller was the best thing that happened to me all morning and talking to Lonna, the 2nd best. :-)
What's with the nasty crack about Camilla, tho? Granted she's no Brigette Bardot, but look who she's married to!! Charles is definitely no Robert Redford, himself. Camilla isn't ugly or anything, you know. She's very likely Charles' soulmate just like Yoko Ono who wasn't pretty at all was John Lennon's and I imagine they'll be much happier than he and Diana were.

1:52 PM, November 10, 2005  
Blogger The Game said...

a story with MANY interesting comments from the right and left about the school shooting and parenting...

Ron, you haven't been there in a few days...lets hear your comments...democat, you should go there too

4:27 PM, November 10, 2005  
Anonymous Democat said...

Latest death count-2061
Heard on the radio that Bush/Cheney are speechifying re:/to veterans. Total hypocrisy coming from Bush, our Commander in "Grief" who was AWOL from the TANG he got into to avoid combat in Vietnam, and "President" Cheney who got 5 deferments to avoid serving at all.
Are you still proud to support these capitalist warhawks, Game? Why? And you still haven't explained to me why peace is unamerican and unchristian.

4:39 PM, November 11, 2005  
Blogger The Donkey said...

The Donkey was embarrassed to read the RDR. Our City employees found a dog running in the street, decided it was a wolf hybrid and put it in the zoo.

Then the newspaper makes it it a front page story, about how a big dog kennel was installed at the zoo. The paper states how dangerous the wolf hybrid is and how it is wild. In the next paragraph, it tells of taking the dog to show school children. Is this the best idea, bring a large carnivore to small children. On the next day the dog makes the front page again. This time a female zoo employee is holding the terrible hybrid(dog) with a small leash and both hands on the animal's throat. What a brave lady. The Donkey can not decide what is worse, the story , the newspaper or the Albuquerque journal runing the same picture.

The Donkey has not seen such bullshit since Bush's last speach. This newspaper makes the Game's posts look realistic.

Good night and be on guard for wolf like dogs and terrorists.

11:04 PM, November 11, 2005  
Anonymous Democat said...

What embarasses me about the RDR is that the editor and the publisher consider it editorial balance to put 1 liberal column, 2 moderate columns, a conservative column and 2 extremely conservative columns on the op-ed page. Guess, "Doonesbury" which is in the comics must count as at least one liberal column, otherwise poor Ms. Thomas is outnumbered.
Re: wolves or wolf hybrids. They get bad press and then there´s all those nasty fairy tales, too. Wolves are beautiful intelligent animals who are affectionate with members of their own packs, work as team players, take wonderful care of their young, and cull the old, sick and defective deer/caribou from the herds, thereby improving the population. I love wolves, myself, and know that people are not their natural enemies. Wolves and even mountain lions tend to be afraid of people. You´re much more likely to be attacked by a bear than by a wolf (although I love polar bears,too.)
However, they are wild animals and wild animals shouldn´t be kept as pets (this includes snakes which I HATE). People who want something like a wolf should get a malamute,samoyed, or husky which are my favorite types of dogs (the chihuahua is my least favorite, although the Taco Bell dog was cute).
And if you want to know something BAD about a zoo, how about when the Clovis zoo got a giraffe without first making sure it had a proper winter shelter. The poor thing died before they could build one, and the poor black bear had to make do with a small cage until they got the funds to build him a big one. Talk about poor planning. Zoos need to have proper shelters, THEN get the animals.

3:03 PM, November 12, 2005  
Anonymous Democat said...

Looked at the timeline, Game. Sad and horrible. This is why we need gun control! These disturbed young people should not be able to get their hands on a gun in order to do this.
In the case, of Klebold and Harris, the failure of the school authorities to protect them from peer abuse was a factor, but I wonder what the heck the parents were doing that these kids were able to have all these weapons and build bombs in the garage. It is not a good thing when these yuppie parents are on the fast track with their careers and spend no time with their children, leaving them in the care of computers where the kids are isolated from society and become desensitized to violence by playing those horrible computer games which are sometimes very realistic. Working 10 hr. days plus the commutes, then buying things for your kids to make up for it is not good parenting.

3:14 PM, November 12, 2005  
Blogger axle said...

I see the Massachusett legislature is leading a fine example of congressional meetings. Today they will decide to lessen punishment for those people who commit crimes against animals -specifically having sex with animals. Some people call it beastiality ! And they want my vote back !

2:28 PM, November 14, 2005  
Anonymous Democat said...

Granted doing THAT is SICK-the key word being sick! Mandatory therapy w/probation is better than incarceration which isn't going to stop the behavior. Liberals who love animals aren't going to excuse animal sexual abuse no matter what you've heard.
And while we're at it, let's get the dog fighters and the cock fighters cuz that's animal abuse, too. Plus the wacko religious nuts and just plain cat hating creeps who kill cats out of ignorance or viciousness.

4:58 PM, November 14, 2005  
Anonymous Democat said...

Let me rephrase that. Incarceration will stop the behavior while they are in jail, but won't fix the problem they have. Maybe it can't be CURED, but at least some of these people can be taught how to CONTROL their behavior. I believe in rehabilitation and I imagine that is what's going on with the Mass. Leg. not condoning the behavior which as I said is sick.

1:21 PM, November 15, 2005  

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