The Case For War
This is a very long but very detailed look at the "yellow cake" story, the office of special plans and the intelligence that traveled world wide. This is why people are saying, well the British believed it the Italians believed it...add infinitum. This is the best most complete thing I have read and very much worth your time. It was written for the Italian press that, because of the circumstances, has looked at this closely.
Next we need the American press to take a close look at the office of special plans and whig and then we'll see exactly what happened here.
posted by Ron at 2:35 AM
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Someone wrote that he was sick of everyone calling the Iraq War a mistake. Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, even some Republicans. He said a mistake is when you hit your thumb with a hammer when doing repairs or answer c instead of b on a question in your SAT's.
The Iraq War was not a mistake, he says, it was TREASON!!
I think so. If lying us into a war from which the liar's friends and family profit and other people's kids die, shouldn't qualify as treason, what should??
Lonna
Chris Floyd summed it up pretty good:
"Even in the unlikely...event that the entire pack of jackals gets herded into the hoosegow for the agent-outing conspiracy, it will not bring back the innocent dead murdered at their command. It will not restore the shattered families writhing in the pits of grief and loss, from Baghdad to Burbank. It will not be recompense for the pointless sacrifice of soldiers and reservists sent on a criminal errand, plunged into a brutal and brutalizing hell -- for nothing, for a chimera, for ideological lunacy, for the enrichment of cats already so fat they can barely stand up and waddle to the dish for another slurp of cream." --Politex, Bush Watch, October 25, 2005
Lonna
What is sick to me is that the people that really need to read this whole thing...won't. They don't care about the truth. They like to argue politics but don't make them think about it. Don't ask them to verify the obvious. They think its some kind of football game and we have some kind of clearly defined competition right here in our own country.Sounds like a good way to divide the country. I thought we were all in this together. Methinks pride is what causes denial.
Well, of course, Ron. They don't want to believe that they have been conned into supporting this war or anything else that we tell them because they'd feel stupid.
Our government KNEW the intelligence info was suspect and insisted on using it anyway, and passing it on to our allies, the media, and the American people. This is what propaganda is all about, folks. (meaning Game, the Libs already know this)
What I'd like is for more of the folks who have loved ones serving over in Iraq to STOP thinking of this as a great and glorious cause for OUR freedom and to combat terrorism and to admit that the troops have been betrayed into this war. They need to be angry at Bush, Cheney, etc. instead of dissing the dissenters!
Ladies and gents,
If you want to know why Game and friends won't read or listen, I invite you to read this "essay." It is humerous while enlightening. I think you'll enjoy it.
Jim, I agree with the essay. Poor Republicans, at least, obviously have to use this reasoning or their is no way they could support an administration whose every vote is agains the interests of the poor.
There are two articles I wish every person had to read. Well, three if you count Smedley Butler's "War is a Racket." But the one is "With Trembling Fingers" by Hal Crowther. It is FUNNY in so far as anything about any of this can be funny. The other is RFK Jr.'s speech in front of the Sierra Club. He said when he gives his speeches Republicans ask why they don't know these things. It is because of the media of course, but he says all those in his audience want the same thing. It is such an incredible and informative speech. He says the media should be screaming the information in it every day.
You can easily find the Hal Crowther article just by doing a search with the title. I will paste the link to the other.
A new poll has military families in N. C. against the war. 6 soldiers died today all ready. We are up to 2024.
Lonna
Lonna
Jeez!! I have to start previewing my posts, which I don't do. The grammatical errors I see after I post!!
Jim, this is the link:
http://www.sierraclub.org/pressroom/speeches/2005-09-10rfkjr.asp
It is long, and the first 3 paragraphs or so are just about his family's relationship with Douglas, but it is SUCH an informative speech!!
But then, as you say, Rush didn't give the speech, so there is no point in dittoheads reading it.
Lonna
Ye gods, Ron, I read the article.
Nlmost no one would take the time to understand this. I would have to read it five times and take notes just to get the names and organizations straight and to realy understand it. IF I am up to a challenge, maybe I will do that and write an abstract of it.
It is long, confusing, and boring. BUT, it does have the info in it. AND one of the culprits, Hadley, has been kicked upstairs. Typical.
Lonna
Lonna, I thought it was good as it confirmed lots of bits and pieces I had read and put them together into one time line. It also shows that, at the least, the pnacers were actively searching for anything to justify the war and were willing to use anything!
Another great article (and very readable) was called "The Path to War" and it appeared in the May 2004 issue of Vanity Fair. It goes into some detail about the negotiations between the administration and the UN and allies leading up to the Iraq War. Fascinating and illuminating information.
Lonna, thanks for the suggestions. I'll try to read them.
If the dittoheads ever realize how they and their children are being f**ked over by the Bush administration while they defend him all the way to Armageddon, well "What a wonderful world" it would be. It isn't a cultural war. It's a class war, and the middle class is losing a stuggle most don't even know they're in.
Ron, I did not say it was not good, but most people aren't as intelligent as you. They don't want to spend that kind of time trying to figure all this stuff out -- all the inticacies.
Even with this article, I am not exactly clear on what the "package" was exactly. I know it was suspect by the regular intelligence agencies of both Italy and the U.S. -- the CIA rejectd it and tried to keep the suspect information out of Bush's speeches, but it kept finding its way back in. Finally the CIA agreed they could use it IF they blamed it on the British -- "British intelligence has learned.."
It needs to be "dumbed down" for most people. Maybe I will try to do that in the morning.
Lonna
This is just one piece of the case for war. There was not a good case for war in the first place.
A simpler version of the yellow cake forgery
The war will not go away unless we work to stop it. Here is an email reguarding local efforts:
The Day of the Dead
Memorial Service
For all those killed in Iraq
All Souls Day
November 2, 2005
Wednesday
4-6 P.M.
On the Main Street sidewalk
in front of the Courthouse
We’ll read the names
of Americans
killed in Iraq
but remember all who have died
in the Iraqi War
“War can be prevented
just as surely as it can be provoked,
and we who fail to prevent it
must share the guilt
for the dead.”
WWII General Omar Bradley
There is NO case for was, this 2005, about time you became civilized , don't you think? The Maniac
Theres Is no case for WAR!!!
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