Civil War
We can't leave because there will be civil war. It will be a bloodbath:
CBS News correspondent Lara Logan reports there is a secret, ruthless cleansing of the country's towns and cities. Bodies — blindfolded, bound and executed — just appear, like the rotting corpses of 36 Sunni men that turned up in a dry riverbed south of Baghdad. CBS News traced 16 of those men to a single street in a Baghdad suburb, where family members showed CBS News how the killers forced their way into their homes in the middle of the night and dragged away their sons and fathers. "My uncles were tortured, they even poured acid on them," a young boy told CBS News.
Doesn't sound like they are that interested in killing Americans. Sounds like they are having their civil war/bloodbath regardless.
But we will make it a terrorist training ground......need I even go into detail on how ridicilious this statement is?
But the terrorist will take over and use it as a launching ground.
And the killing isn't one-sided. An ambush in a western Baghdad suburb last month began with the execution of an entire Shiite family inside their home.
I don't think that either side is about to give up their country to ANYBODY any time soon. Let them have their civil war.
Bring our people home to their families or get them on something that resembles a real war on terror.
posted by Ron at 12:02 AM
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From Jim's blog:
For the Pro-War Morons
This needs no comment, with the exception of what is at the second site...
"The images on this website are gut-wrenching. They show both the suffering of Americans and Iraqis. This horror is what American senators unanimously voted to continue. Even if you are an American with a weak stomach, it would be cowardly to avoid looking at what you voted for. If you can't bear to look, skip the pictures and read the text, and remember if you cannot bear to even look at the suffering, how dare you insist anyone else bear the reality of it."
I certainly hope "the Game" clicks on "For the Pro War Morons" to see pictures of what the Iraq War is really like. When you get to the link, click on the "Iraq War Photos." NOT FOR THE SQUEAMISH, AND DO NOT OPEN IN FRONT OF CHILDREN!
I think we should print out those photos and send them to Bush, Cheney, and all the other idiot war hawks who glorified the idea of war in 2002, and the cutesy little news girls with their "heroes walls" during the invasion! The invasion is over, although the war is not, but the "heroes walls" are gone. And now our soldiers, most of whom are decent, are accussed of every crime this side of cannibalism. AND Amnesty International says the United States is now one of those nations we railed against -- a nation that uses torture. We use it, and even worse, perhaps, the hypocrites in this administration "outsource" it so they can pretend their hands are clean!!
More photos may be released. Photos even General Meyer's says will likely cause riots.
I would certainly love the country and the people who did what is depicted in these photos to a member of MY family. AND, as the link below to a speech by Russ Feingold points out, the "war president" has ruined the military, so it might be YOUR kid who ends up like this because IF we "stay the course" it is likely the draft will have to be reinstated.
General Omar Bradley said: "War can be prevented as surely as it can be provoked, and we who fail to prevent it must share the guilt for the dead." But Bush/Cheney never wanted to prevent war, and look what is the result!
Please read the link below for an explanation of just how Bush has ruined the military. Just as Ron's blog piece explains how Bush "supports the troops" by cutting programs for them and for the veterans.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/092805R.shtml
Lonna
I'm sorry, but I think the photos should be seen by children, so that they know what kind of government and world they're growing up in, and in the future, won't vote for, but would rather revolt against, wars such as this, and the kinds of people who bring them about.
As I've said before, it will be the children who inherit this earth, and they need to know the realities of it before they take it over.
Teenagers, yes. Smaller children, no.
Lonna
I looked at the photos on the Iraq War link. Gah! Anyone who can look at them and not see why war should be a LAST resort is totally hopeless. If The Game hasn't looked at them yet, he should. Maybe it would be the thing that would FINALLY turn him around (assuming that is possible). I will pass on the link to others. Thanks, Dedanna.
Y'know what's so funny about all this? Is Bush said that war should only be used as a last resort... then the mental insanity kicked in, and it turned out to be a thing to rush into.
*shakes head*
After that, how can anyone believe the so-called "man" about anything?
They never wanted any solution BUT war. They had wanted it since the early nineties (PNAC.} Clinton would not go along with the scheme, which is part of the reason they impeached him.
Tony Blair actually said that they should get the U.N. to ask Hussein to let weapons inspectors in because WHEN he refused to let them in, that would give the war more legitimacy to the international community.
Imagine their panic when Hussein let the inspectors in!! And then Bush gave that insane lie the media let him get away with "We went to war with Iraq because Saddam would not let the inspectors in."
That lie should have been the headline of every talk radio show for weeks. But, that darned liberal media just let it go.
Retired General Odom said the war was the biggest foreign relations disaster in history. Or something to that effect. He is not alone among the military in thinking it, but not too many have the guts to say it.
And then as the Donkey pointed out, the GAO has blasted this administration for taxpayer funded partisan propaganda presented as actual news.
Another day, another Bush scandal that the liberal media will let go after a day or so.
I suppose it will be another Republican scandal the Republicans will investigate themselves about.
Lonna
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I read in "The American Prospect"
that G.W. would tell Colin Powell that he could do certain things/make deals while Secretary of State, and then once the deal was worked out, he would renege and tell Powell, "No, you can't do that. Work out a new deal."
Let's face it, G.W. isn't as dumb as people think, but he has no intellectual curiousity. He's not well educated or interested in policy and he depends heavily on his advisors and V.P. It is possible that because G.W. doesn't trust himself or his common sense, his intentions might be good, but since Cheney, etc. are the ones really running the show things turn out badly. Of course, Bush gets to take the blame, like Cheney, etc. would care. They probably consider G.W. a big joke, anyway (also, the Bushies who are so lame, they don't understand that Cheney has no respect for them). I don't like Dubya, but I won't be too upset if he just goes back to Crawford with his tail between his legs.
My real desire is mostly to see the whole thing be exposed for what it is and how and why it got that way.
Once we understand and agree that big business is in charge and the people aren't maybe we can figure out how to get the people back in charge again. That would be my goal over most any other outcome.
True, so true, Ron. (Why does The Game say Ron is always wrong when he's right so often?)
I am for the PEOPLE, small businesses, small companies, family farmers, and the workers. It seems that the farther removed one becomes from the workers (and that includes the big union bosses) the more abstract they become. Therefore, the workers/troops are seen as statistics/numbers by the CEOs and corporate boards, the union bosses, the government, and the military. They don't have to feel any remorse about using and casting these people aside like pawns on a chessboard because they don't think of them as PEOPLE. Ron is right. We need to take the country back from them.
There are a couple books people should read. One is "When Corporations Rule the World." They already do.
Another is "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man."
You can find excerpts of "Confessions" if you do a search on Democracy Now. Also the soldier who wrote "Behind the Wire" about prisoner abuse at Guantanamo. He said he went there not caring how the inmates were treated. But then he came to see that many of them had just been in the wrong place at the wrong time. And even the bad guys -- he came to think torture was counter-productive for them, too.
Those poor people are doing a hunger strike now, and the media barely even mentions it. There is an article in the Nation magazine, however. They have no hope. And would just as soon die.
America has become what we fought other nations to stop. A nation that denies people their human rights. A nation where you do not get out of the military when they said you would. A nation hated by the world.
Lonna
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