Will Roswell Respond?
Lonna writes:
Saturday there will be huge anti-war demonstrations in Washington and around the country.
To support this cause, on Saturday, Sept. 24th from around noon until 2 p.m. or later -- aiming for the largest gathering to be at 2 p.m., -- on the sidewalks of North Main, we in Roswell, New Mexico, will be having a "Take Back our Country," event. It will be a "Take Back Our Country," "Bring the Troops Home," "Support Our Troops!! Impeach the Administration That Lied Them to Their Deaths and Maimings," demonstration.
When I gave my speech in Santa Fe on Labor Day, and the Abq. Journal reporter interviewed me, she said she thought there were no activists in the city of Roswell -- that the people of Roswell were complacent and never did activist things.
I am hoping hundreds of people will have the courage to come out and show her she is wrong!! Thousands would be nice!! I hope to see the apex of this huge gathering at 2 o'clock that day!!
I will be there with my "Republican" truck from 8 a.m. or so on. I will have impeach petitions for people to sign.
We do not want Bush impeached because he is a Republican, we want him impeached because he has proven himself to be incompetent over and over again. In every area. And dishonest. Many good Republicans recognize this, and, for the sake of the country all Americans love, they, too, want Bush/Cheney GONE!!
Please bring your own anti-war, anti-Bush signs. Please no profanity, and it must be a peaceful demonstration. IF we are cursed at, we will have to "consider the source" -- many Bush supporters are nasty as well as ignorant -- and take it.
Please tell all your friends and tell them to tell all their friends. E-mail them, phone them and tell them to keep the message going. Also, put up notices where you can. If anyone wants to stand in the medians during the week with a poster about it, feel free.
posted by Ron at 1:32 AM
36 Comments:
I only had to read the first paragraph to smile with glee thinking about how crazy the Left look to the average American.
why?
1. You can't "Bring home the Troops" AND "Support our troops"
That is like standing outside a school building and demanding the teachers leave. You can't support someone when you don't want them to do the job they know they need to do. A vast majority are smart enough to understand how important they are. They know why they joined the military, they know the risks...including Casey Sheehan.
2. The minute the word "impeach" comes out of your mouth it is music to my ears. You guys are sprinting to the left, so far that no one can even see you anymore.
of course if 20 people show up at your protest, it will be front page news...I'll have 20 people at my birthday party, maybe more...what page of the newspaper can I get that on.
FYI Game, BELOW I have copied what some Iraq War veterans have said. I have their words on my truck.
All the veterans I know hate this war and hate Bush. Granted there are also veterans who back the war. But then there was the veteran who wore "bullshit protectors" over his ears when Bush spoke at their convention.
You should read the "Stars and Stripes" more often. Not all soldiers are stupid. They know their lives are being sacrificed for corporate profit. Paul Hackett, Iraq war veteran who almost won the Congressional seat in Ohio, said this war is making Democrats out of more soldiers every day. 1000 veterans wrote a letter to Bush before the war telling him going to war with Iraq would be the worst thing he could do if he wanted stability in the Middle East. The late, great, Col. Hackworth was one of them.
Once again you display your ignorance.
Iraq War Veterans Speak
Joshua Despain:
I've seen lots of people who have yellow ribbons on the back of their car, and I try to talk to them. The one thing that you can do to support me and the troops is to listen to our voice, and most people who have the mentality “support our troops” don't want to hear what we have to say about ending the war.
They think that supporting the troops is supporting the war, and it should be the opposite.
Support President Bush and our troops? That's a conflicting statement.
If you're supporting Bush, then you're not supporting our troops. And if you support our troops, you don't support Bush.
Andrew Plummer:
You think you're going to serve your country. That's not what the military is there for.
You think you're going to make the world a better place. That's not what the military is doing today.
The military is protecting American business interests and killing people to expand our power and generate more wealth for wealthy people in America.
Kellie Dougherty.
I didn't believe the reasons that we were being given to go to war in the first place, and then when I got there and saw the horrible impact that the war and the occupation was having on the population of Iraq and on our own soldiers and all the reasons we were given were false to go to war, so it was people dying and people suffering for lies.
Nicholas Przybyla (involved in the initial invasion of Afghanistan, 2001-2002)
I'm here to stop the war I guess trying to put an end to it and let people know what's going on is total bullshit. I had a top secret clearance and every day we would receive intelligence briefings twice a day, and it came down towards the end of our deployment that we had killed about twenty suspected terrorists, members of the Taliban.
We got about seven hostages onboard and the total deaths of civilian casualties was about three thousand-most of them were children—, and I just don't think that's a good way to fight a war just to blow the shit out of a country, kill a bunch of innocent people, and then charge into another country that has nothing to do with it… the intelligence briefings that we got said that the 13th Marines had Osama bin Laden and all his buddies cornered in the Tora Bora Mountains, and it was only a matter of time before we uncovered them. After we were relieved, we were relieved by the (Bomb Homer Shard) Amphibious Ready Group. They went in and did the same thing that we did, have him even more cornered and.. they just let him go.
All the troops were pulled out and sent to Iraq over bullshit when the real person that was responsible for September 11th was set free. That's a fact… my personal opinion is that I think the Bush administration wanted bin Laden to go free so that they could scare the rest of the country and just keep them scared and move into Iraq and not be questioned about it. I joined the military and now like I said before sometimes I get people that come up to me and say thank you for your contribution thank you for protecting us and I think that's kind of stupid because we weren't protecting them at all.
Our National Guard is gone. America's weaker than it's ever been on a home front attack, and it's completely pointless to go to Iraq and die over something that serves no purpose. It's completely insane.
Tim Talib
I'm here today to protest the on going occupation in Iraq. I believe that it's immoral and illegal under international law and I believe that we went into Iraq that our motivation had more to do with oil and imperialism than to do with Saddam Hussein or weapons of mass destruction which were never found or connections to 9/11 which were never made.
ALSO, Game, while you are at it, why don't you read "the words of war heroes versus the words of bush/co." A lot of RESEARCH went into that. Not just lifting Rush Limbaugh's talking points.
http://oldamericancentury.org/submit_0061.htm
Lonna
Isn't it amazing that Clinton, a competent president, was impeached even though his popularity rating never went below 56%. His lies did not hurt this country or kill anyone.
This president has proven himself incompetent in every area, has lied about everything, and, according to lawyers, there are a minimum of half a dozen grounds to impeach him. His popularity is at 40%, yet it is "loony sounding" for the PEOPLE to want him impeached!!
I do not recall THE PEOPLE clamoring for Clinton's impeachment, even after the "Right" spent 60 million dollars trying to find something, anything to use to impeach him. He was investigated, initially, for Whitewater, a land deal in which he lost $60,000. Yet Bush's Harken, in which he made an additional $500,000 he would not have made had he not engaged in insider trading, is not important.
Lonna
of course if 20 people show up at your protest, it will be front page news...I'll have 20 people at my birthday party, maybe more...
Game, you know that's not fair. You have beer!!!!:-)
BTW, Game, I had a former Navy Veteran, a life-long conservative waiting to shake my hand when I came out of the Bank of America one day. He said he agreed with almost everything that is on my truck.
MOST of what is on my truck was said by Republicans. Many of them war heroes. Ike is over-represented. Ike would have been outraged by this unnecessary war fought for corporate profit. He and General Smedley Butler would have considered Dubya one of the "domestic enemies" they had sworn to protect this country against. We know what Hackworth thought about this war. I know because he e-mailed me about it. In fact he responded with a "dead on" to one of my e-mails to him. I think he probably voted for Bush the first time. He also said "Donald Rumsfeld is an ass----, and that is a quote." Think he liked him, initially, as well.
Lonna
Game, you know that's not fair. You have beer!!!!:-)
Well, so do I; a LOT of it, and well, am hoping it doesn't make me a neocon. Just hope it makes me VERY VERY drunk LOL.
Lonna: You go, girl! :)
Game: This is the reasoning the Republicans gave for impeaching Clinton. In their own words. By a friend of mine -- Vietnam vet and former professor at Champaign-Urbana. I do hope you will copy it to your blog.
An Open Letter to the Republicans in the House of Representatives:
By Mick Youther
Your party impeached President Clinton for lying. You made lofty speeches on how you could do no less for God, Country, and Apple Pie.
Mr. Chabot from Ohio said, “It would be wrong for you to tell America's children that some lies are all right. It would be wrong to show the rest of the world that some of our laws don't really matter.”
Mr. Sensenbrenner explained that you had to impeach the President, “…because of our devotion to the rule of law and our fear that if the president does not suffer the legal and constitutional consequences of his actions, the impact of allowing the president to stand above the law will be felt for generations to come…”
Illinois’ own Henry Hyde was overflowing with righteous indignation: “Do we still have a government of laws and not of men? Does the law apply to some people with force and ferocity while the powerful are immune? Do we have one set of laws for the officers and another for the enlisted? Should we?”
Gentlemen, I couldn’t agree more, so I have to ask, “What happened?” When did some lies become all right? When did your devotion to the rule of law end? When did you forsake your oath to protect and defend the Constitution, and start to protect and defend a President who lies almost every time he opens his mouth?
Respected Republicans who have worked in the White House have testified that George W. Bush came into office, itching to go to war with Iraq. Now, thanks to you and a bunch of gutless Democrats we are in that war, and there is ample evidence that George W. Bush lied to the American people and Congress to get us there. Why hasn’t this been investigated?
Bush’s stunning incompetence and mismanagement are not impeachable offenses, but according to you, lying is. It is time to hold him accountable for his lies. If lying about a personal indiscretion is an impeachable offense, what do you consider lying to start a war?
Now, while dead bodies still float the flood waters of New Orleans, Bush is back in Washington to attend to more important matters—passing another tax break for the rich and packing the Supreme Court. What are you going to do?
Your party controls the House of Representatives, and you have abetted the crimes and misdemeanors of the Bush Administration long enough. It is time for men of integrity to act. Instead of sitting idly by while Bush contaminates our highest court with right-wing ideologues—it is your Constitutional duty to impeach him. He has done enough damage to America and the world.
“...this President [sic, Clinton] and his Administration must be held accountable for their misdeeds. If we in the House of Representatives, as the body charged with oversight of the executive branch, do not hold him accountable, then we have no legitimate claim to governing this country.”-- Bob Barr (R-GA)
Lonna
nice ron ;)
Clinton was impeached for lying under oath...
and all polls say that a vast majority of troops support the president..of course not everyone does...you are ignorant if you think letters from a few troops means everyone is with them....
sorry those troops feel the way they do, war is hell.
And our leaders sent them to this hell without good reason or planning.
I trust, Game, that you being an educated person are familiar with General Smedley Butler? His "War is a racket" speech is below. He says that like all military men, he put his thinking process on hold while he was in the service and blindly obeyed the orders of the higher ups. He said he THOUGHT he was part of a racket at the time, but after he got out and started THINKING, he knew he was.
Of course most soldiers support what they are brainwashed in basic training into believing! What is amazing is that so many are managing to see through the lies and manipulation to understand this is a bogus war, and that they are simply pawns. But, now they have lowered the standards for soldiers again. Hoping to get soldiers who are even dumber and more easily manipulated, I suppose. IF THIS WERE A LEGITIMATE WAR, THEY WOULD HAVE NO TROUBLE FILLING THEIR QUOTAS!!
As for Clinton lying under oath, YEAH after they spent 60 million dollars investigating everything about him until they came up with something they had no business questioning him about. After all, they never questioned anyone else, seriously, about their sex life. We know Bush, Sr. lied about his sex life. As Gore Vidal said, it is what "gentlemen" used to do. Lie about their sex lives. We found out some of the hypocrisy of the accusers during Clinton's impeachment, didn't we?! What a bogus reason to impeach anyone!! And now we have a president who lies about important to the nation things, and he probably will not be impeached until after 2006.
Of course Bush refuses to testify under oath, expressly so he cannot be charged with lying under oath, I suppose.
One of only two, two time congressional medal of honor winners said it this way:
Major General Smedley Butler on War and Interventionism
-- Excerpt from a speech delivered in 1933, by two time Congressional Medal of Honor winner, Major General Smedley Butler, USMC.
War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses… of course it isn’t put that crudely in wartime… It is dressed into speeches about patriotism and love of country and putting one’s shoulder to the wheel, but the profits jump and leap and skyrocket and are safely pocketed.”
I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag.
I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket. There isn't a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its "finger men" to point out enemies, its "muscle men" to destroy enemies, its "brain men" to plan war preparations, and a "Big Boss" Super-NationalisticCapitalism.
It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty- three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.
I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.
I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street.
The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.
During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.”
This entire 14 page speech can be found on the net along with other interesting information on Butler who said the way to stop war is to take the profit out of it by conscripting capital and labor at the same wages soldiers receive. His conclusion: “To Hell with War!”
Lonna
Not even the Game could have known the levees would break.
The Game said war is hell, is that why he will not go there? Cheerleading on the sidelines is not the same as playing the game. The soldiers could care less about what a coward posts on a web site. How many soldiers from over seas write the game and tell him he is right?
Does the game even know who Col. Hackworth was? Most chicken hawks know little military history. What job does the military have to do in Iraq? What is the reason of the month for being in Iraq? What is the noble cause this week?
So, Game, does that mean that the Right that impeached a president over a stain on a dress is crazy, too? Y'all are hypocrites. This guy and his cronies lied us into a war, ignored intelligence which could have prevented the worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil, have turned back all kinds of environmental laws, let the health care system and the HMOs basically run rampant, etc. not to mention STEALING 2 elections (in the opinions of many Americans). If Cheney and Bush don't deserve to be impeached, who does? And Rove and Delay need to be sent up river and soon.
I am so sick of you and your whole if you aren't supporting Bush you're a far leftwing wacko radical ala the SLA crowd. You are partly responsible for the mess this country is in because you supported these corporate globalists. Get a clue!! The lives of the troops who have been killed in Iraq are on your head too.
Lonna says we are allowed to dress as "hippies" if we want to. At this point, I am planning on bringing my cassette player and protest music. Should be fun and is important to do, also.
the game said...
Clinton was impeached for lying under oath...
Show me where Clinton was impeached? He served two full terms (and was honestly voted in both times)?
Oh, I see, it's the Repugs complaining about the MONICA LEWINSKY thing again...
HAHAHAHAHA. That's nothing, personal stuff for Clinton IMHO, no one else's business.
GWB should be impeached for (and for lying about) an illegal war, war crimes, lying to the American public about economical issues, as well as all that's already been mentioned above.
Show me one thing anywhere near as serious that Clinton lied about.
Geez, GAME, get a life. Go back to your "blog" cocoon, and stay there.
Oh, you know everyone that goes to your blog? You don't know jack shite. I happen to know a LOT who go there, and find it (as I did, and never returned since) not even worthy of signing in and posting to.
Blow your "views" and your blog out your arse.
Ok Ok So Where were all you so called Lets Impeach Bush and his cronies Saturday ????????Because we were there and others and some stopped but not enough , we have a lame Democratic Party here and no one to Lead the Way, Also Republican Radio and Newspaper, Where were you Ron? If just for a minute, You know I really hope that all you people who Love Bush so much Love the GAS Prices as well...........
Linda Maniac
G A M E - Again what a complete idiot you are, you'd rather show your egotsitical remarks and complain about the Left because you are an unGodly creature. And when the time comes, maybe it will be too late for you cry repentance - and then of course you'll end up where you belong - In HELL withall other republicans like you who refuse to to do the job of a true American. You of course wouldn't know how to help fellow Americans, because your either too bigoted or too egotistical, and I don't know expect your wealth and greed and an inability to care about anyone but yourself. You see Jesus Christ would help so I guess you are a member of the antichrist Bush and his little group of liars, they do constantly lie and hide fromt he truth - just l Like you. It doesn't matter how many people show up at a protest to do the right thing - you won't be there, because you don't care about anything except your greed, your ego, your pack of lies. Those 20 people who showed up to your birthday are just as hypocritical as you, and bigotted does begin to descibe you, hell is your destination in about 20 - 30 more years and I pray you receive your reward you fool. Jesus is not for War you loser, and Bush will find his too, War is wrong and you do need to return to KKK where you are from, I also hope you can figure out what truth is someday and get off those drugs or probably alcohol you must live on to be able to hate so much. You are a pig of a human being.
The Maniac, and perhaps you deserve the a real maniac for your failure to be an American
Linda, I was helping with the telethon for Katrina victims. It seems many of you seem to be looking for me to be something I'm not. Sorry to disappoint you. I have no desire to be your "leader".
Listen to an old and tired and retired d.j., boys and girls.
Just because someone is in the media in this way, doesn't make them any more or less human than you are. It also doesn't make them have any less beliefs than you do.
One can only do what they can do.
And, BTW: Blogs are not in existence to lead people; they are in existence to get other people to interact with each other, so that they can lead themselves to the answers they need.
Grow up, those of you who put your eggs all into Ron's basket! Develop your own basket!!!
Thanks Dedanna, you said it better than I could. I'm here to learn right along with the rest of you.
My gawd, a Katrina telethon, Ron? And you weren't doing anything for your country, eh?
I'm sorry, but to me, that would take precedence over anything.
And, you're very welcome. :)
As I said, I remember the days, and pity those with them now, in particular since in the media, one has to be so "careful" these days.
Say one wrong word, do one wrong thing, look at someone wrong, and y'got the GWBers crawling down all over you!
And, it appears, the libs, too!
Sorry Ron But I had heard you were only fundraising for the morning, Your not my Leader, GOD is my leader and besides the fund Raiser you did was for Republican Radio,Red Cross (who doesn't give a Dam about people or Animals) And Republican Cable One, And where will all the money go?????????????
Linda Maniac
Linda, You have your leadership priorites straight. Such anger
Linda's assigned the leader.
"Linda heard"
Let's see... how many rumors go 'round in Roswell?
Dedanna and Ron Right Anger at this stupid assine blog, and your Lying Populist party ,that doesnt exist Im glad Rons Ass gave you the permission to speak your all Hicks as far as Im concerned and Screw you all, and everyone else as well , wonder if you can Attack me again Ron on the show guess what you won't because Im done with your Republican Show that you have to work for I would never work for Republicans, and how couth it was for you Ron to ask me if I work , and on the airwaves , Piss off all of you.
Yes Anger and Ron Please remove all of our comments
Cause your a coward
The song still doesn't read
Abraham, Martin, and Ron.
P.S. Get a real Job ron anyone can Kiss a Republicans Ass Espscially a Coward.
OK. That's enough out you, you Limbaughger Cheesehead, you. This isn't Wisconsin. I grew up there and I am appalled at what I see here. The fear and apathy is unbelievable. People are afraid to be politically active unless they are Republicans. Poor people that should know better become Republicans because they think they can score points with the boss, or maybe earn points toward Heaven. A one Party country is totalitarian like Nazi Germany or Mother Russia-no freedom!!
If even a few protesters showed up here it was a victory, and next time there may be more. Giant mustard plants grow from tiny seeds. Look it up. It's in The Bible.
Oh, and infiniteodyssey...
Who the hell said I was populist or democrat or any party? I sure didn't. Who the hell said I was Repug? I sure didn't.
I'm none of the above, and have said it time and time again at this very blog.
Now, who's lying?
Infinite Odyssey is just venting, Dedanna. I understand that you were looking out for Ron, who is your friend, just as I have defended Odyssey and Wizard, who are my friends. This is what we need to be doing and not attacking each other (except for The Game). I sure never thought you sounded like a Republican, not even a moderate one, although I know Republicans who hate Bush & Co. as much as I do.
I wasn't just "looking out for Ron because he's a friend".
I was trying to bring some sense into what he's been trying to get through to people, and, as I said, I could see what he was saying because I truly am on the outside looking in, and honestly have lived it myself.
Guess there are those don't like it.
Oh well, I guess.
Well, OK, Dedanna, I have no problem with that. It's not so much that I object to the other side stating their views, but I have a problem with people like The Game who are just so hopeless, yet keep spreading their bull***t propaganda to people who aren't willing to learn anything else, or even capable of it.
I'm a Yankee by birth, and am appalled at what I see here, and I don't think a small part of it is the influence of the fundamentalist Christian churches which greatly outnumber anything else in this neck of the woods. Simpleminded faith is what you get from them and it looks like teaching people to read The Bible literally has underminded their ability to think critically. Therefore, when the deluded Bush says he's a good Christian, they believe he is speaking directly with God. Worse yet, they believe that all the folks like Cheney and Delay are good Christians because they PRETEND to be and they wouldn't LIE.
Of course, Bill Clinton and John Kerry go to church every week, but the Bushies are certain that THEY lie.
I am so sick of these good Christians and the things they believe and ignore because it would challenge them to THINK for a change. Some of them tore down and stole Kerry/Democratic political signs during the election. The GOP had huge campaign signs for their candidates and we had one big sign for Kerry that someone made for us. It was destroyed. Our headquarters was spray-painted with graffiti on the eve of Yom Kippor (possibly by the Aryans-Kerry is 1/2 Jewish). Our chairwoman gave an interview which was pretty decent in length and it got almost no airtime at all, while the GOP got all kinds of time. We really didn't hear much of anything from the GOP condemning the vandalization, either. They hung a big banner uptown, proclaiming that our city was BUSH COUNTRY (Democrats disagreed). They showed that pack of lies called "Stolen Honor" at our public library during one of our rallies. They went around putting campaign literature on cars at churches, no less, saying Bush and Pearce were good Christians and Kerry and King were not, and, of course it was all about abortion.
You can buy something with an american flag on it everywhere you go, but try finding a peace sign in this town that worships THE PRINCE OF PEACE. Up until recently, displaying or wearing anything pro-peace or pro-environment would result in many hateful looks from the Bushies. There were voting problems and we, actually, had state and maybe national people here to oversee the election process. We can't get people to come out to protests, and not many to rallies. Some of them listen to Ron's show, but I think they're afraid to call in because someone might recognize their voices. The fear, apathy, and ignorance here is unreal and the GOP wants nothing more than to squash all dissent and to destroy the Democratic Party, apparently.
This is why we are so angry with people like The Game. I understand Ron's viewpoint, too, but The Game is just getting back some of what he and others like him are dishing out to Democrats, Greens, Liberals, etc.
Forgot something else-Cheney came to speak here and the Republican coaches, band/choir director, etc. insisted that their players/students show up at the gym to support him. Even if they and their parents were Democrats/Kerry supporters they were expected to do this. Five students were brave enough to refuse to do it. My daughter and I joined them in protesting outside the school, but no other adults were brave enough to do so. The most they could do was to drive by, honk, etc. to show support.
Would you be angry if you or your children (if you have them) were told by a teacher that they had to support a candidate you didn't like? Is that the American way? Apparently, there are many people here who think it is.
I hear you, I do.
And, the Christian agenda has become one that I've come to despise as well, and I see all that you say.
However, I do think that if there is a conservative out there who still has the ability to think critically and logically without all the b.s., we should give them a chance, and hear their views as well. It might just be that we'd learn something from it, OR, would give us something intelligent to debate. Agree?
Well, if anyone comes back this far in time to read, I started writing because I could not stand the idea that our leaders were getting away with what they were largely because they spouted their "Christianity" so often and so loudly.
This is one of the first articles I wrote about it. Dedanna, if you come back to this post, this is for you:
Standing in Awe of Bush's Christianity
http://www.opednews.com/goodenVanHorn_091104_bush_christianity.htm
Yes, I agree, Dedanna, assuming that the conservatives are willing to debate and not just quote Limbaugh, Coulter, etc.
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