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I know this ticks off the wingnuttia. Just wanted to make sure they got their daily bit of rage.
posted by Ron at 8:49 PM
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I know this ticks off the wingnuttia. Just wanted to make sure they got their daily bit of rage.
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Howcome we have to be so politically correct? I refuse to be, Ron. The whole "immigration" thing pisses me off. Who the hell is politically correct for me???
First of all, folks, NO ONE BELONGS HERE UNLESS THEY'VE PAID THEIR DUES IN FULL TO THE I.N.S.
Second of all, why should we cater to ONE nationality, when this country has always claimed to be MULTI-national???
I'm sorry if I'm tired of catering to the b.s. ... I'm NOT spanish people, and don't want to be. Period.
Take your damned gang-bangers home already, will ya???
And yes, I've put up a wall around myself so YOU can't invade the space that I bought and paid for, and that I worked for, and that I did legally. To add to that, you ain't getting my damned job.
One final piece on this:
Since it's the only language you understand, if you want to fight about it, bring your damned knives, guns, et-al here. I'll fight about it.
nice job dedanna...you know..we all agree on this one...
Anyway,
you guys want to comment on McKinney hitting a police officer? I get mad about this story because I see this attitude every single day in the inner city.
The rules do not apply, and if you do get caught, yell scream and throw out the race card...the inner city needs some better role models
Like Cosby
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/4/3/234500.shtml?s=ic
Have mixed feelings about the whole immigration thing. I feel sorry for the people of MX, but think they should be helped at home. I don't think the children of illegals should be punished by being denied an education and medical care, but that's just my Liberal compassion at work.
I have to agree with Domenici, it will be impossible to locate all of them and deport them. Plus, although it is NOT nice or Liberal to say so, it seems that when they came here they couldn't wait to start having as many kids as possible (kinda like the Mormons) and that's a lot of why there has been such a population shift. Are we gonna make them leave their kids who are citizens behind? OK, now I sound prejudiced toward Hispanics-right?
I don't like The Bu$hrat's guest worker idea, tho. He doesn't love illegal immigrants any more than he does anyone, else. EVERYTHING these people do is to help Big Bidness and they are anti-union!Read Ronald Takaki's "A Different Mirror". Immigration policy has always been used to bust the unions. This is just a way to increase the surplus legal labor and bring wages down, do away with many safety measures, benefits, and pensions. Plus, it ought to be bad enough that so many American manufacturing, etc. jobs have been outsourced to other countries without letting these people legally take away the jobs we still have. Right?
It is a picture of a flag, not a declaration of hostility.
The state seal has the same eagle, does it arouse the same emotion?
"The coat of arms of the state shall be the Mexican eagle grasping a serpent in its beak, the cactus in its talons, shielded by the American eagle with outspread wings, and grasping arrows in its talons; the date 1912 under the eagles and, on a scroll, the motto: "Crescit Eundo." The great seal of the state shall be a disc bearing the coat of arms and having around the edge the words "Great Seal of the State of New Mexico."
The bird of the flag reflects a legend of the Mexica people. The Mexica people came to the area where Mexico is now from a place they called Aztlan. The word Aztec means from Aztlan. The Donkey thinks Aztlan is the northern Rio Grande valley.
For some reason, the word Aztlan, enrages some people. It is almost as if someone said immigration. Some of the Donkey's ancesters have been dealing with immigration issues since 1492.
The "whole imigration thing" was an issue in the state of Coahuila y Tejas, during the 1820s. Thousands of illegals flooded into Mexico. They did not want to comply with Mexican laws and were part of a treasonous warfare, to take by force what they could not gain legally.
In what is now California, The California Republic was proclaimed on June 14, 1846 when a group of thirty-three illegal aliens captured the town of Sonoma and declared independence from Mexico. The illegals were drunk and drew up a flag with a picture that looked more like a pig than a bear.
The people in Sante Fe and Taos traded with illegals in the 1830s, just to be overrun and killed in the occupation.
The Donkey agrees with Ulysses S. Grant,in the invasion of Mexico was for the expansion of slavery and start of the American Civil War: "The Southern rebellion was largely the outgrowth of the Mexican war. Nations, like individuals, are punished for their transgressions. We got our punishment in the most sanguinary and expensive war of modern times."
As Dedanna has illustrated, fighting is what this country is very good at. This country would not exist without aggression. The Donkey would dissagree with the statement, "NO ONE BELONGS HERE UNLESS THEY'VE PAID THEIR DUES IN FULL TO THE I.N.S." The donkey wonders what dues she paid to the I.N.S. The Donkey claims his citizenship by his birthright.
The lame game also seems to enjoy a good fight as long as he does not have to really fight in the sands of Iraq. He is too good for that. He seems to think he can defend America from behind his keyboard. There is still time to be a hero, lame game, Uncle Sam wants you in Iraq. Join now, we need combat officers.
The donkey does not know any illegal aliens, so he would not know that they are having lots of kids. The donkey knows of many Republican officials who have many children, but is sure they are here legaly. Mel Gibson has many children and is an immigrant, but he has a green card. How many kids does the Gropenator have, not counting Maria's? Those people at the Branch Davidian complex has lots of kids, but the donkey can not remember if they were Hispanic.
Well, let's see, the gangbanger right across the street who is an illegal "immigrant" has five kids... and isn't working.
The ones that come into the D.O.L. & employment agency that I work at, generally have at least four kids a piece, on average, & they expect jobs to feed them with --
Oh, and donkey, nice to know America has such a RICH history. Makes me want to stay here all that much more (NOT).
Yes, it's just a mexican flag. Let us wave the sunuvabitch ever so proudly. *smirk*
Oh yes, and shall we count the welfare roles for illegal immigrants?
Think I shall. Will post back results when I have them. Off to work for now though.
Nope, wait that was one that was TOO easy.
Myths and lies of illegal immigration
Anchor babies
Means-tested programs (CID)
This which I got from here,
and...
This.
Almost ALL benefits received were received illegally. You can do the math on what it costs us for them to come up here and gang-bang, kill, thieve, rob, smuggle drugs, let's see...
Oh yes, and the theory that they come here to work? Forget about it.
Run your own search on this -- it won't change a thing.
Now, with all this being said, I want a few questions answered, and they best be damned good answers --
Why should America give their kids a free ride into the country, when it gives it to no one else?
Why should I put my tax $ into people who don't want to work (just get the benefits) for what they get (what they don't get in benefits they take from us directly through crime), when I'm not required to do so for other possible illegals from other countries (not that I would even then, I just don't get this)?
Why should I roll over and play dead for Mexico, when it does nothing for me but be a huge drain on my society?
Why do I have to speak spanish, when the french I busted my ass for all my life is relatively non-existent, anywhere?
Why do I have to roll my "r"s when I don't speak spanish? How about making them speak english, and make them not speak their spanish behind my back when I don't know what they're saying (when I'm expected to do the same for them with english)?
Why should I give illegal immigrants to this country any goddamn more rights than I have, when I am here legally???
SEND THEM HOME. NOW.
dc, your excuse of "I have to agree with Domenici, it will be impossible to locate all of them and deport them" is loose. Very. Tell that Repuglican Domenici to go home, too. If we at least make an attempt, and a good one, that would DRASTICALLY reduce the illegal population, and would discourage futures.
donkey, your comment about California makes it very worthwhile for the U.S.A. -- no wonder they have so many illegals there, if founded upon illegality. That was then, this is now, and the fact that California was founded as it was (if in fact it really did go that way, and didn't have anything to do with the Native American Indians) makes it right for more to come flooding in? Sorry, I didn't ask for that, and won't.
This should have "US of Mexico" at the bottom, right along with Jesusland.
This is more like it. :p~~~~~~~~~
I am not even going to get into this. I have rad about how California came into being, and I know Donkey is right.
I appreciate very much the input of the Donkey. He and Dedanna are probably the two most well-informed people on this blog, but obviously emotion is playing a big role in this exchange.
I am not even going to weigh in with an opinion other than to say wouldn't it be interesting if we just considered giving Texas, NM, AZ and Ca. back to Mexico. THEN not let any of those residents move further North? American "expansionism" into what was once Spanish and/or French territory is, in a way, now reversed.
Grant was not the only president who thought the Mexican War was criminal. Lincoln did, and John Quincy Adams was more outraged about it than anyone.
Lonna
Of course many European nations invaded Native Americans. Some like the Iroquois actually had functioning Constitutions. Others were busy invading each other. Human history is a story of invasion. And currently the global corporatists are busy invading all of our institutions and the rest of the world.
Looks like immigration will be this year's abortion/gay marraige divide and conquer issue.
This is from the website "Waging Peace not War." It is about the Mexican War. It also, of course bears some similarities to the Israeli/Palestinian situation.
Lying to Provoke a War, Not a New Issue in Washington
by Ruben Arvizu*, June 9, 2003
"The Iraqi regime possesses biological and chemical weapons. The Iraqi regime is building the facilities necessary to make more biological and chemical weapons." President George W. Bush.
-Rose Garden Sept. 26, 2002
"Sending Americans into battle is the most profound decision a President can make…If war is forced upon us, we will fight in a just cause and by just means -- sparing, in every way we can, the innocent. And if war is forced upon us, we will fight with the full force and might of the United States military -- and we will prevail. "
-President George W. Bush State of the Union, January 2003
"The cup of forbearance has been exhausted. After reiterated menaces, Mexico has passed the boundary of the United States, has invaded our territory and shed American blood upon the American soil."
-President James Polk, Declaration of War with Mexico, May 11, 1846
Deceit and treachery is nothing new in politics. The actual confrontation of facts of the real causes for the Iraqi war reminds me of Abraham Lincoln's attacks on President Polk and his party over the origins of the war with Mexico. Specifically, the young congressman from Illinois demanded among other points "That the President of the United States be respectfully requested to inform this House - Whether the spot on which the blood of our citizens was shed, as in his messages declared, was or was not within the territory of Spain, at least after the treaty of 1819 until the Mexican revolution."
Years later, Stephen A. Douglas reminded him of them in the Senatorial campaign in 1858, saying Lincoln had distinguished himself by "taking the side of the common enemy against his own country."
The maneuvers of the Polk administration to have a casus belli with his neighbors from the South were numerous and ingenious even so the CIA or other "Intelligence" agencies were not yet formed.
Many voices of great stature were raised in 1846 opposing these tactics. Former President John Quincy Adams denounced the policy long pursued towards Mexico and dared to vote against the Mexican war. A few weeks before his death Mr. Adams voted for a resolution withdrawing the American troops from Mexico and relinquishing all claims for the expenses of the war. For that, the press and government officials accused him of "treason " and "giving aid and comfort to the enemy." We can compare here the cases of some personalities in our time like Martin Sheen, Susan Sarandon, Michael Moore and the Dixie Chicks who dared to express their opposition to the aggressive policies of Mr. Bush and for that reason have been harassed and even threatened to lose their livelihood.
Many more, like Adams, believed that the United States had stung Mexico into defense of her rightful possessions. Ulysses S. Grant, the victorious General of the Civil War and twice president of the U.S., was a second Lieutenant in the "army of observation" of Zachary Taylor. Grant thought the armed march to Mexico was "unholy.” In his "Personal Memoirs" he stated "and to this day I regard the Mexican war as one of the most unjust ever waged by a stronger against a weaker nation. It was an instance of a republic following the bad example of European monarchies, in not considering justice in their desire to acquire additional territory." Grant also regrets for having "lacked moral courage enough to resign." I wonder if Secretary Colin Powell has ever read Grant's memoirs.
Henry Thoreau made his own protest against the war by refusing to pay his state poll tax. He passed a brief time in jail and after his aunt paid the tax he wrote in his cabin on Walden Pond "Essay on Civil Disobedience," one of the best-known pieces of American literature.
In his State of the Union Address in January 2003, President Bush solemnly declared, "We seek peace. We strive for peace. And sometimes peace must be defended. A future lived at the mercy of terrible threats is no peace at all. If war is forced upon us, we will fight in a just cause and by just means -- sparing, in every way we can, the innocent."
President Polk stated something similar, assuring the people of Mexico they had nothing to fear from the American invading forces because they were there to "protect them and help them to get rid of their bad government." No mention, of course, of his lust for Mexican territory.
In 1847 the American forces commanded by General Winfield Scott bombarded and destroyed the port of Veracruz. During that battle a young Captain, Robert E. Lee, another future personality of the Civil War, wrote in one of his letters " The fire was terrific and the shells thrown from our battery were constant and regular discharges, so beautiful in their flight and so destructive in their fall. It was awful! My heart bled for the inhabitants. The soldiers I did not care so much for, but it was terrible to think of the women and children." (A Biography of Robert Lee by General Fitzhugh Lee, 1989) So much for the "protection and help" from President Polk.
In 1848, a great abolitionist, William Jay wrote one of the most critical books regarding that unjust conflict. In "Review of the Mexican War" Jay asserts, "We have been taught to ring our bells, and illuminate our windows and let off fireworks as manifestation of our joy, when we have heard of great ruin and devastation, and misery, and death, inflicted by our troops upon a people who never injured us, who never fired a shot on our soil, and who were utterly incapable of acting on the offensive against us"
The Mexican war has been the most beneficial to the United States. The annexation of Texas was secured and what now are New Mexico, Arizona, California, Utah, Nevada, Colorado and part of Wyoming became the golden West.
On Veterans Day this productive war is not mentioned at all, ignoring the thousands of Americans who perished following the Manifest Destiny doctrine, perhaps because it was a simple war of conquest.
The Iraq war is not over yet. American soldiers continue dying nearly every week in the occupied Arab nation. Thousands of innocent Iraqi men, women and children have died. So much for the "sparing the innocent" stated by President Bush. The business of oil and the big contracts for the reconstruction of Iraq conceded to the inner club of companies linked to top officials of this administration cover the air with a smell of suspicion.
The possibility of an investigation by the Senate to determine if the American people and the world were deceived in what George W. Bush pompously called "the first war of the 21st century" could lead to an impeachment and political disgrace.
In the end, from 1846 to 2003, nothing much has changed.
Lonna
Donkey, I am sorry if you were insulted by what I said. I have nothing against Hispanics. I have friends who are Hispanic who are very nice intelligent people
(like them much better than my white ex-in-laws who voted for Bu$h- :-( ) Plus, I guess if we are going to talk about people who have a lot of kids we can talk about Mick Jagger, too. LOL
The problem with poor people coming here from Latin America doesn't have anything to do with them being Hispanic, it has to do with them being Catholic, poor,
uneducated, and the Church's idiotic ban on birth control. I might add that wealthier more educated people have a greater tendency to limit the size of their families, unless they are very religious and their churches forbid birth control.This could be true of any national group that is predominately Catholic, but many more Latin Americans come across the border illegally than any other group. As I have said before, encouraging people to have kids they couldn't afford limited educational opportunities, increasing ignorance among the faithful, and giving the Church more power. The Pope needs to abolish the ban on birth control.
For those of you who couldn't attend-the Democratic forum went very well last night. There was a pretty good crowd and most of the candidates were there, and of those who weren't most had a spokesperson. Education, particularly increasing teacher salaries and reducing paperwork, dealing with the methamphetamine problem, helping the youth, protecting our water and public lands, and standing up for the people instead special interests were all topics of discussion.
Lt. Gov. Diane Denish spoke-great speech! I really like her and if Bill Richardson goes on to other things in 2008, I will be delighted to see her become governor and show what a great job a woman could do for NM. :-)
Also, there was a wonderful buffet.
Were you there, Ron? Didn't see you. You missed the Christmas party, too. :-( You gotta start coming to some of these things. If nothing else, you're missing out on a lot of yummy food. :-)
Also, if we are going to talk about U.S. History and taking land, etc. away from others, I am tired of hearing Andrew Jackson being used as a great example of a Democrat when you consider that he was responsible for The Trail of Tears and the theft of the property, the deaths, and the misery of the Cherokees, a civilized nation, when they were forcibly removed from Georgia to Oklahoma. I don't think that bigotted whites have anything to talk about when it comes to other immigrants when you consider what their ancesters did when they came to America.
Call me bigoted.
I still want the illegals to go home where they belong.
And, I've seen nothing since to make me change my mind. Period.
Ok, let me put it to you like this:
My ex-husband immigrated from England.
HE PAID DEARLY to the I.N.S. to get here, and went through a lot of trials/tribulations to do so.
MAKE THE MEXICANS DO THE SAME.
Oh, and donkey, y'smart ass, you want to know what dues I've paid to the I.N.S.??????
I was born here, and claim it by right as do you.
I have also paid very much money to the I.N.S. for my ex-husband to immigrate here (it also makes him sick about the illegals here -- and well it should).
Don't lecture me about the I.N.S.!!!
Again, I reiterate proudly, NO ONE BELONGS HERE UNLESS THEY'VE PAID THEIR DUES IN FULL TO THE I.N.S., full fees paid, full waiting periods waited, et al. I probably know more about immigrating to America than you do!!!
Read the links I posted people, then come back and post.
dedanna,
you are so right on it is not even funny.....
I used some of your info on my blog...and liberals are attacking it...I have created liberal on liberal crime and they don't even know it
Dear Lonna,
The Donkey is not very emotional about this subject. The Donkey has a great respect for your posts. The Mexican Flag is just a cloth with a story to the Donkey. Your post about the parallels between the two wars was interesting. The donkey has few illusions about how this country came to be.
DC, do not worry about insulting the donkey, You seem to have forgotton that the donkey has known you for a while now. You are not a bad cat, you just said a bad thing.
And to Dedanna, the donkey thinks what U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said about unknown unknowns at the Defense Department Briefing on February 12, 2002:
"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns — the ones we don't know we don't know."
Dedanna seems to be more angry at her posts than the Donkey. If someone asks me to define a rant, I will pull up this blog thread.
Post them as being informed rants.
Thank you.
Oh, and game, I didn't post that for your blog. This is not a party line issue to me.
It's a U.S. issue.
I didn't post what I posted to join your party or anyone else's -- I remain independent.
Now, you can make it a liberal issue if you want. Keep in mind that it's the Repuglicans who are currently causing the problem. Granted, it's a problem that's been there for a while, but it's your party that's creating the majority of it currently. For that, I hope you all drown in your own cesspools.
Did I say it was the Repuglicans who are causing the problem???
Senate Republicans Strike Immigration Deal 28 minutes ago --
"But it did not have the commitment of all Republicans, much less Democrats who have backed an approach that would put nearly all illegal immigrants on a path toward citizenship."
*sick*
Yeah, let's give 'em all even more benefits --
Let them come in and take our jobs --
Let them come in and take anything else they want.
We can afford it.
Glad you all like this situation --
I was born in the USA, not Mexico.
I said liberals were attacking your links..
you seem to be the one making this a partisan issue...
Both sides suck ass on this...
The Left wants everyone in so they can get more votes,and the Right is too scared of their own shadow to do anything that takes balls.
Donkey,
I don't think I said such a bad thing. All I said is that part of the reason for the population shift which will lead to a Hispanic majority is that first generation Hispanic immigrants tend to have large families. For one thing, they tend to be more rural/agrarian and farmers need to have lots of kids. Plus poor people tend to be more religious because what else have they got? Latin America, like Italy and Ireland, is predominately Catholic, so any of these immigrants are more likely to listen to The Pope on birth control. Both sets of my maternal great-grandparents were Catholic. Each set had five kids, but their kids had smaller families. My dad grew up in a family of 10 kids, but he and his siblings had much smaller families.
I imagine that the same is true for Hispanic and Asian immigrants.
I won't comment on the welfare thing, as I can't see how illegals can get it without social security numbers, green cards, etc. and I don't know enough to comment on immigration dues. I just see that there is a big difference between the number of legal/illegal immigrants from Latin America and the number from Europe and that is freaking out a lot of whites who are afraid of becoming a minority.
My major opinions are that they should come here legally and that Bush's whole guest worker thing is a way to drive down wages and bust the unions. I still agree with Pete. It will be just about impossible to locate the illegals, plus we don't have the money to do it thanks to the Bu$hrat's illegal and immoral oil war. I just don't want you to think I am prejudiced toward Hispanics. It seems that White Liberals always have to be afraid of saying anything offensive when they talk about
immigration, etc. (sigh) I will admit that I am prejudiced toward GOP conservatives, tho, so HISS to The Game. LOL
dc said...
My major opinions are that they should come here legally and that Bush's whole guest worker thing is a way to drive down wages and bust the unions.
It seems that White Liberals always have to be afraid of saying anything offensive when they talk about immigration, etc.
game said...
Both sides suck ass on this...
The Left wants everyone in so they can get more votes,and the Right is too scared of their own shadow to do anything that takes balls.
Now we're talkin'. These are my points.
Game, I wasn't trying to make it a partisan issue. I was however, raising the point that in the current climate, it is indeed the Republicans who have caused the issue.
I still think re: Domenici, dc, that if we were to get as many illegals as we can, and get them deported, then that in itself would at the very least decrease the illegal immigrant population drastically, and would send a message to future people who think about coming here illegally, that we're not going to take it lying down.
dc said...
I just see that there is a big difference between the number of legal/illegal immigrants from Latin America and the number from Europe and that is freaking out a lot of whites who are afraid of becoming a minority.
It's not that we mind becoming a minority, dc. It's that the whites are having to take a back seat to illegals, and they're seeing the whole American culture, and its standards therefore, come drastically down.
I think the white majority is also afraid of seeing the Mexican majority be treated as it is -- as slave labor, and afraid of having taken from them what they've worked for all their lives, through crime, and other illegal means.
Let's do some more waking up, folks. I do want to reiterate a major point here -- that there's a reason they are called illegal immigrants. That being that they came into this country illegally.
Has anyone thought about the fact that, out of fairness, if we make it legal for illegals to get into this country, then we might as well seriously roll over and play dead. We might as well make drugs, robbery, and every other illegal thing here legal? Hey, if we make it legal for one, then we should for all.
Is this right?
How are historians going to be able to write about the farce that is known as the Bush administration? "GOD'S administration." What an incompetent and corrupt embarrassment!!
No honor among thieves -- they al rat each other out to save themselves. First Libby implicated Cheney, and now he has implicated Bush in the "leaks."
And, in typicial Bush fashion, the Dept. of Homeland Security's "Operation Predator" formed to catch pedophiles has been headed by pedophiles, just as the EPA is headed by people who headed corporations guilty of polluting, or the lawyers who got the polluters off. A top official at Homeland Security charged with stopping sex crimes against children is pleading no contest to exposing himself to a young girl.
AND, we are actually helping the Shiite terrorists in Iraq. Shiite terrorist acts against Sunnis now are 10 times as prevalent as the original insurgency of Sunnis against Shiites. Terrorist Shiites are infiltrating security positions by becoming "trainees" of the Americans. So we are aiding in the slaughter in that way as well.
Who are the seriously intellectually challenged 36% of people who still support Bush? They should read what the State Dept. has been saying. I should get the quotes from Sidney Blumenthal's article.
Lonna
Well, y'know, Dedanna, it's not that I think they should be able to come here illegally or that it wouldn't be nice to send them back or some of them, anyway. I don't know where the money to do this is going to come from, tho, since Bu$h has seen fit to cut taxes for the wealthy and is spending all the money we don't have on his frig*in' oil war. We don't even have the money to take care of the Katrina victims and what's gonna happen with no new levee come hurricane season? I saw where there are hundreds or thousands of parked cars destroyed by Katrina that have not been moved yet-havens for rats and all kinds of vermin. (Brownie didn't do a heck of a job!) Nineteen tornados in the Midwest yesterday and more expected in the SE today (Oh no, there's no such thing as global warming affecting the climate, Mr "I don't believe in science."
Bu$h! Plus what do we do about the kids who are citizens? It's not that I don't agree with you in theory, but we have to look at the practical aspects. It's a complicated issue and a real mess.
I agree with Ron. Punish the employers who are hiring them as domestics, motel and restaurant employees, truck drivers, construction workers, etc. and paying them cash and much less than what U.S. citizens would get. It's not like most of 'em are getting rich unless they're selling drugs or something. I see guys sending money orders home to MX all the time cuz they can make more money up here even with all the U.S. jobs outsourced to MX, live on tortillas, beans, and rice and support their families down South. We can blame the corrupt wealthy elite in MX and the corrupt wealthy elite in the U.S. for most of this. And doesn't it make you so proud that YOUR President is such good buds with the latter, Game. Think of that before you talk about immigration. Maybe you won't be so keen on the yeehaws you helped put in the White House.
Guess it's $s we can cough up somehow -- if the gov't is spending money anyway on the other things, then it needs to do it on this, too.
What's the diff? Either way this country is bankrupt, thanx to Bu$h. So, do it anyway. See? Should've been done years ago.
Re: the kids that are citizens, again, undo a wrong. They shouldn't have been given citizenship in the first place. Send them home, too.
Speaking of things the government spends or will spend money on, Lonna told me she saw something on Buzz Flash about Bu$h talking to select members of Congress about Iran. Seems to be a plan to bomb 400 targets in Iran. Don't know when. Guess, we can expect our troops to move next door instead of coming home. And the braindead Bushies here still haven't taken their Bush stickers off their cars and trucks cuz they're too dumb to be ashamed of supporting him. Gah!
Did anyone else watch "NUMB3RS" last nite? Was really good-story was about a Columbine type shooting spree. One of the things is talk about the school using chips in the student IDs for attendence/keep track of the students. The words "Big Brother" and "1984" were actually used in the script. Gotta hope that the TV writers will somehow manage to wake people up with these fictional TV series cuz the media isn't doing its job.
I haven't read the full discussion here but let me just say that I don't think this is an issue that is firstly about people. It is firstly about economics. American and Mexican economics. How can we make them both work for the people of their individual countries.
Game:Mckinney was disgusting. Both in using personal violence and in calling out the race card. She did apologize though and probably because her fellow Dems told her the same thing I just said.
ya know, I actually posted more completely on this issue on games blog than I did my own about a week ago. I dont care if they fly the Jeff Gordon flag. It's about what people do and the results that put any meaning into the flag at all. Fuck all the flags.
Dont give them a job and maybe they will go march in there streets. They got as much corruption to root out as we do. They need to get busy.
We cant export jobs and import low wage workers and make this country work. That is corporate economics.
How Bush supports our troops (not). His secret service wear the body armor the troops have been forbidden to wear, even if they buy it themselves. You can see clips of tests on this much superior armor if you go to the Daily Kos website and click on the links. Soldiers for the Truth and the Navy Seals provide some of the footage, I think.
The troops don't have the best armor, and this is why:
Point Blank Armor, Inc which makes Interceptor, is a subsidiary of DHB Industries.
March 3, 2006
DHB Industries Receives $54 Million Purchase Order from U.S. Army for Interceptor™ OTV (Outer Tactical Vest)
David H. Brooks is the CEO of DHB Industries.
(also Gen. Larry Ellis has been on the Board of Directors ever since his recent retirement)
According to the Executive Excess in 2005 Report:
Body armor profiteer got 13,349 percent raise since 9/11: David H. Brooks, CEO of bulletproof vest maker DHB Industries, earned $70 million in 2004, 13,349 percent more than his 2001 compensation of $525,000. Brooks also sold company stock worth about $186 million last year, spooking investors who drove DHB’s share price from more than $22 to as low as $6.50. In May 2005, the US Marines recalled more than 5,000 DHB armored vests after questions were raised about their effectiveness. By that time, Brooks had pocketed over $250 million in war windfalls.
Coincidently Mr. Brooks donated $25,000.00 to the National Republican Senatorial Committee in June 2005.
Thanks, DoDi!
Dedanna;
Do you want to repeal the Fourteenth Amendment?
Do you want innocent children to be denied their birthright because of the actions of the parents?
Do you want to be made to pay for any of your parents actions, done before you were born?
Ron, your suggestion about flags does not sound like a good time to the Donkey.
As for your comment that "Mckinney was disgusting. Both in using personal violence and in calling out the race card."
Most Americans the Donkey knows engage in personal violence. This country would not exist if not for violence. The Donkey does not know any pacifists. What is the source of your accusation, Mckinney called out the race card?
I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR MEXICO'S KIDS, NOR AM I WILLING TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEM, NOT WITH MY TAX $, NOT IN ANY WAY.
I DON'T CARE IF THEY HAD THEM IN IRAQ FOR CHRISSAKE.
Those kids were NOT supposed to be here -- if their parents hadn't been here illegally, they wouldn't be here.
I AM NOT PAYING FOR ILLEGAL PARENTS TO PROPAGATE & LAY THEIR KIDS ON ME. NO WAY.
The parents, kids, all of them --
If the parents are illegal here, so should the kids be. End of story.
And yes, I'd repeal my own ass to ensure that if it would --
Much less an amendment.
AND, I'd make NAFTA go away in a heartbeat if I could --
I see, liberals. We can't afford to cut a short-term loss to send them home, but we can afford to SUPPORT these sacks of crap who weren't supposed to be here in the first place?
You suck!
Use your heads --
I still say immigration is a very complicated issue, and like abortion, gay rights, etc. stirs up a lot of highly emotional rhetoric on both sides. As for LIBERALS, Dedanna, you know as well as I do, that if we dare to say anything that minorities can claim is due to racial/ethnic prejudice on our parts, they will, so we're usually afraid to.
Gee DC,
Why would anyone find the term, sacks of crap, offensive?
The Donkey is impressed with dedanna's endurance, it takes much energy to continue such a harangue. Having that much hate must be consuming, leaving little time for anything else.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_lonna_go_060410_america_92s_gods_3a__mon.htm
Link to latest article: "America's gods: Money, Materialism, and Militarism" if anyone is interested.
Lonna
If you didn't see Letterman last nite, he had a pretty good segment-talked about how Jimmy Smits' Santos character (Democrat) on "The West Wing" got the required 270 electoral votes in the election (on the series). Next we see Dubya making HIS acceptance speech and then in his truck out on the ranch & "George W. Bush-It's Been a Hell of a Ride!"
Re: a comment made on The Fox yesterday-shame on you! You should've offered congrats to Gwyneth and Chris instead of dissing their new baby boy's name.
I don't see anything wrong with Moses. It's a fine Old Testement name right up there with David, Elijah, etc. Plus her dad, Bruce Paltrow, the film director, was Jewish. Plus Passover is this week.
Re: Apple-well, it's different (she's usually called Pomme (Fr. for Apple), but it's better than Sam (not Samantha)Sheen for a girl or Rumer, Scout, and Tallulah Willis, much less Dweezil, Ahmet, and Moon Unit Zappa!
The Spanish name Moises is very common. The Donkey never thought it odd. Gwyneth Paltrow did not give the Donkey a proper notice of her wedding.
Come now, Donkey, Gwyneth didn't give anyone to speak of notice of her wedding-was pretty much an elopement. At least, she got married pre-birth which is more than can be said for Brad & Angelina, Tom & Katie, etc.
I know there are a lot of Spanish versions of Biblical names, including Moses. My oldest son is named Shaun, Irish for John*, cuz he was born 6 days before Christmas (*means gracious gift of God). If John, Peter, etc. are OK, then why not Moses?
I don't see anything wrong with Moses I will become Mo or Mose(as in MOs). It's not actually a totally uncommon name. Much less so than Apple. I was really hoping they would name him Windows Visa though.
dc said...
As for LIBERALS, Dedanna, you know as well as I do, that if we dare to say anything that minorities can claim is due to racial/ethnic prejudice on our parts, they will, so we're usually afraid to.
This isn't party-or-mindset-specific. It's the same for everyone, be they liberal or otherwise.
Donkey: Mine doesn't come from hatred -- it comes from common sense. Do you want to support illegal immigrants for the rest of their lives? You never answered that one. Neither did anyone else.
Moises -- figures. Next we'll have to fluently speak spanish, and everything we say will be translated directly. Just too sad that spanish won't be translated to english.
Well, it sure sounded to me like you were dissing the name Moses on the air, as well as Apple.
Speaking of fruit, maybe it's just due to your sour grapes since Gwyneth is just one more beautiful woman BRAD got and YOU didn't. LOL
No diss here, just jokin around.
That was good for Brad. I've been to places he'll never be too so I'm fine with that. :-)
Dedanna, you will soon be posting how you have nothing but love for people you have called sacks of crap.
It must be hard for you dedanna, thinking so many people are somehow living off your work. How easy it is to blame one's misery on some one else. Will you now try to convince the Donkey how happy and wonderful your lot in life is and how your sad bitter posts are not a reflection on how your life is going?
Knowing Spanish is an advantage, the donkey learns more of it every day. Millions of people in this country speak Spanish, and the numbers are growing. Some people have a hard time coping with change.
I still fail to see why I should be the one to have to press "2" on a phone menu to speak english, when I've been here legally all my life, and spanish is given freely (last I looked this was an english-speaking-for-the-most-part-country).
I still fail to see why this country should support illegal immigrants for their whole lives, when it won't support me doing 65 mph in a 60 -- and certainly wouldn't support me drug-running, gang-banging, murdering, raping, or in any other way violating someone else (and, I fail to see why calling people like this "sacks of crap" when they are would be wrong).
I still fail to see why an illegal should get a job that someone who isn't illegal is far more more qualified for.
I still fail to see why illegal's children should be given a free pass to being legal here, when their parents were here illegally to begin with.
I still fail to see why I should have to speak spanish for anyone, when they won't speak english for me.
I still fail to see why I should educate, clothe, feed, and otherwise give anyone who is illegally here anything at all, when I have sponsored people into this country legally, and have paid all dues required.
I still fail to see why this country should show any favoritism towards anyone who is here illegally, whether they be black, white, mexican, or of whatever national origin, just because they hold the majority population of illegals.
None of these issues have been addressed by you, donkey, or do you just think you're that doggone good that you can lecture someone on their lives, and not address the issues that affect all of our lives?
I also fail to see why I should honor the mexican flag, when flying the american one is considered so "politically incorrect".
I also fail to see why I should give illegals benefits that I can't get.
Now, do you want to address these issues people?
Or did you not read the links I posted above (still)???
I also fail to see why you people can bring up the fact that rounding up and deporting the illegals here would be any more expensive than supporting them here their whole lives, and you are the ones who say it can't be done, and wouldn't work (when I know doggone well and good it would).
America is now too broke to do what it always did for years and years. Send the illegals home.
I also fail to see why we'd send an iraqi or pakistani or british or anyone other culture home in a heartbeat, but won't send home a mexican???
Give me a break.
Oh, btw dc, in answer to your comment here: I won't comment on the welfare thing, as I can't see how illegals can get it without social security numbers, green cards, etc.
Illegal "immigrants" do it with false documents. They get themselves a fake green card, and go from there. Mostly from their illegal employers.
dc said...
Dedanna, you know as well as I do, that if we dare to say anything that minorities can claim is due to racial/ethnic prejudice on our parts, they will, so we're usually afraid to.
This is just the kind of political correctness that I'm talking about. dc, do you think that an illegal mexican even thinks about this for us?
No way --
Just one problem for them. There is still one person left in this country who isn't afraid of that kind of b.s., and who isn't afraid of taking political correctness and blowing it out this gov't's ass. So long as no one will be this politically correct for me, I will be for no one. It's definitely stand up and fight for this country time.
Ron -- I dont care if they fly the Jeff Gordon flag. It's about what people do and the results that put any meaning into the flag at all. Fuck all the flags.
Dont give them a job and maybe they will go march in there streets. They got as much corruption to root out as we do. They need to get busy.
We cant export jobs and import low wage workers and make this country work. That is corporate economics.
Right on!!! I could shoot the jerks who bring up the illegals to use them for slave labor, too, to take what you've said here a step further.
The employers who hire them? They need to be just as busted as the illegals themselves.
To clarify: I also believe that if someone has forcibly brought someone here from mexico, therefore making them illegals? That someone should take a huge fall for it, and the illegals they've brought? Send them home with huge apologies (when it's mexico that should be apologizing for allowing it to happen), give them a good meal and a hug or five.
By the way folks, mexico is not so poor as they would have you believe, this due a lot to NAFTA. If it weren't for NAFTA, I'm sure that we wouldn't be seeing the huge problem we are now. That's another one I foresaw coming when it passed. Just one problem I have with this link -- "The Agreement has brought economic growth and rising standards of living for people in all three countries." -- it has not for the U.S. It's caused nothing but problems.
Oh, and speaking of Rumsfeld....
Looks like the neocons are banding together again. :(
How do you know Brad will never go to the places you've been? (Would he want to?) C'm On, now, Ron, I know you're secretly jealous of Brad. LOL And now, he's got Angelina, too. What's his secret?
Face it, Ron, you're just not the most romantic guy in the world (Game's probably the least.) which is why you detest Phil Collins and Barry Manilow songs so much. :-(
I predict that if you do not change your curmudeonly ways you may someday have to purchase a T-shirt that sez
"Will Beg for Hugs!"
dedanna;
We are the many. Lower your walls and surrender . We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated. Your life as it has been is over. From this time forward, you will service us. You belong to us. You will be like us.
The Donkey will celebrate Cinco de Mayo early this year.
Now, Donkey, let's be reasonable.
:-) The U.S. is a melting pot, right? That means many different peoples, cultures, religions (despite what the Rel. Right wants), etc. If anything, Hispanics should be assimilated into American society not the other way around just as Asians, Europeans, etc. are. That includes learning and using English. 'Course having TRIED to learn Spanish (dang those irreg. verbs) and forgotten most of what I learned, I know that's easier said than done.
HOWEVER, I feel that people should be able to keep their own cultural traditions, languages, etc. It would be tres boring if we were all the same. And anyway, I love tacos, chili, etc., plus most Italian foods, Chinese foods (no sushi, please!) and I made cascarones for Easter after reading "The Tequila Worm" (Do people REALLY eat t/worms? YUK!)
Didn't get a chance to break them, tho. Was thinking that I should have decorated them with pictures of Bu$h, etc. as it would be a lot of fun to bash them. Possibly, water balloons should be decorated with pictures of Bu$h, etc. and dropped on Republicans' heads. What do you think?
to dc;
Silly cat, what you call a melting pot is exactly what the Donkey described. According to Wikipedia, "
The melting pot is a metaphor for the way in which homogenous societies develop, in which the ingredients in the pot (people of different cultures and religions) are combined so as to lose their discrete identities and yield a final product of uniform consistency and flavor, which is quite different from the original inputs. This process is also known as cultural assimilation."
Don't worry , it will be a homogenous society soon enough with spanish as the language. It is a good thing the donkey likes tacos. Not to worry DC, you will adapt quite well.
Promise me that I will never have to eat a tequilla worm. (I will NEVER EVER get that homesick!)
The problem, Donkey, is the white Anglo-Saxon Protestant descendents who see cultural assimilation as a way to make all other cultures give up their cultural identities.
I don't care if Hispanics celebrate Cinco de Mayo and Asians celebrate Chinese New Year, etc. cuz we gringos can join in the celebrations, right?
No, to learning Spanish-I have no gift for learning other languages esp. at this point in my life. I figure that if I went to live in Spain or Latin America I should learn to speak Spanish. English is the language of this country and we have a lot of people from other countries coming in, too. Why should we learn Spanish and not Hindu or German or Thai? I do think people should keep their own languages, too, tho and pass them onto their kids. Why not be
bilingual or trilingual or
multilingual if you can?
Adios! Ciao! Au Revoir! Sayanara! Aloha! Shalom! Goodbye! ...
I speak French.
No pun intended.
I seriously speak the language.
Again, that is the second language I've chosen.
It's a sad country when Spanish takes over out of political correctness, and we who don't speak it, but another language, are drowned out.
It's also sad when I've forgotten almost all of my language because there is no one to speak it with because everyone in the country is now centered around one single other language.
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