Saturday, March 18, 2006

Fresh Coffee

Alien and Sedition acts 1798(pre 9/11)

The Alien and Sedition Acts, created by the Federalist party, generated the nation's first major crisis over civil liberties. The uproar that was induced by such blatantly unconstitutional laws was so severe, that it, too, was extreme and radical. Since the Alien and Sedition Acts greatly threatened the authority of the Bill of Rights and therefore the fundamental government, it is surprising to consider that some of the opposition's responses proposed similar threats to central government.

Whew, worked that one out.

47 Comments:

Blogger Ron said...

Actually its dc:

To be fair to some of our Dem Senators and Representatives, there have been some close votes. I'd like to say that it's not OUR fault that we are not in the majority, but to be honest that's not true when one considers how pathetic the Democratic turnout at elections has been more often than not. Never more apparent than our last local election with its paltry 24% turnout of registered voters that put the good ol'boys and girls and a new conservative GOP mayor in charge.
Speaking of local Dems, would have been nice to see more people at last nite's meeting. Fund Raising, a future headquarters, and state elections were topics. Also, some certificates of appreciation were awarded. I got one for volunteering in the last election-didn't think I did all that much, but seems like if you do anything, that's better than most. Anyway, it was nice to recieve it and of course it meant making a speech which I could never have done a year ago (it's all RON's fault that I can now, thanks to calling his show! LOL). I made a point of saying that we really need to work
to motivate our local Dems to be more active instead of so apathetic
that they can't even go out to vote to improve their lives.
Also, broke my Lenton commitment temporarily to listen to Lonna today. Thank you, Lonna, for all the nice things you said. You're a good friend. Maybe I will call the show again after Easter, but it's no great loss in the meantime,
Peace!

6:52 PM, March 18, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The following is from one of my favorite sites. http://thomasmc.com/

I think it should be faxed or e-mailed to every Democrat in Congress:

"TIME TO DUMP THE DEAF BLIND MUTE PARTY

This week, I sent an email to the Democratic Party (actually, I used the comment form at the DNC.org site), complaining that Democrats weren't standing with Feingold on his censure resolution.

I received back a form-letter response that "Republicans only want to you believe that Feingold is a traitor." But I never said anything like that in my email. They just saw the word "Feingold", and sent me the "Feingold response form-letter."

This is exactly what is wrong with the DNC. They think they already know everything, and won't listen to anybody.

They continue to maneuver the party further and further to the right, looking for that imaginary conservative voter they think might be conned into voting Democrat, while insisting that those on the left have no choice but to vote for them. To show how far it's gone, I might remind you that it was a Democrat who brought the ban on abortion to S. Dakota. It was a Democrat who wrote the proposed abortion ban for Mississippi. It's the Dems in NJ who are racing to put a ban on gay marriage before the election. It is a Democrat, who's running for US Senate in Ohio, on a "death penalty for gays" platform. And you know what? No matter how far they goose-step to the extreme right, the GOP will still just call them "liberals", and keep the conservative sheep voting Republican.

The Democratic party is lost, and due to its refusal to listen, there's no hope it will ever return. But as long as everyone on the left keeps believing the lie that they have no choice but to vote for them, nothing will ever change.

I know the argument, from 2004, "this election is just too important to waste a vote on a third party candidate." Well, we all saw how well that worked out. If we on the left had snubbed the DNC - instead of holding our noses and voting for Kerry - the electoral results would have been the same, but the DNC would have crumbled, and a new party could now be rising to fill the vacuum. Instead we will have to wait another election cycle. Or another after that, or...

The problem isn't just that the Democratic leadership won't stand up to the Republicans, it's that the Democratic rank-and-file won't stand up to the Democratic leadership.

I've declared my independence from that Party, by changing my registered affiliation to "independent". And I can't think of a single Democrat that I would vote for in November. Certainly not any that the DNC/DLC/DCCC would ever allow to get nomination."

Lonna

8:36 AM, March 19, 2006  
Blogger Ron said...

lonna, you are soooo right. These people in dc need a wake up call.They don't understand that why Bush won is because people believed he was firm and resolute and stood for something. Even though what he was firm and resolute about bullshit they voted for him. That is the secret they seem to not see even though the whole party seems to be trying to point it out. Be strong, be firm and PUSH IT HARD.If they are waiting for the compliant medias approval they will be waiting a long time. It's time for action!

10:32 AM, March 19, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, it was not me, but I agree absolutely with most of it.

Lonna

P.S. Here is some rhetoric from the "reasonable" right. Limbaugh and O'Liely, as you like to call him.

From a St. Louis Columnist whose name I just accidentally delted.


Limbaugh:

..."The "untrustworthy, unbelievable" media picks the lowest numbers just to beat up on the president, Limbaugh ranted. To emphasize his point, he played an edited montage of CNN news anchors who recently referred to Bush's ratings throughout that day's broadcast. I listened and, sure enough, each referred to a 36 percent rating as a "new low," "all-time low," "low ebb" or Bush's "lowest ever."

Legions of Dittoheads out there may think ol' Rush scored a legitimate point. And, they'd be right, if all media spoke with a monolithic voice or if they ignored the disclaimer each CNN host gave prior to discussing Bush's ratings. The numbers, they said, were derived from the "new CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll," not CBS or any other polling organization. And, according to CNN, Bush was indeed at an "all-time low."

It's amazing that so many conservatives and right-wing pundits still use the "blame the media" ploy when depressing facts seem to get in their way. Bill O'Reilly of Fox News employs the tactic often. During the Feb. 23 edition of the "O'Reilly Factor," with guest Mike Farrell, O'Reilly unashamedly claimed he doesn't "do personal attacks."

Media Matters for America, which describes itself as a nonprofit research center that monitors conservative media, launched an Internet montage of O'Reilly "personally attacking" on his TV and radio shows.

O'Reilly is heard describing Howard Dean as "the biggest coward in the country," labeling John Kerry a "sissy," calling newsman Bill Moyers the "biggest mouth in town," and New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristoff "nuts."

The attacks weren't simply targeting individuals either. O'Reilly insulted cities, countries and even an entire continent. Madison, Wis., residents "commune with Satan," he said. Iraqis are a "prehistoric group," poor Hurricane Katrina victims "were drug-addicted thugs" and, according to O'Reilly, all of Europe is "soft and afraid."

O'Reilly's most cutting remarks were reserved for Media Matters. They are "vile, despicable ankle-biters," who, he admits, "listen to every word" of his program. Although the organization relies on transcripts from his own programs to refute his outrageous claims, O'Reilly still insists the group blatantly uses his words "out of context," then "feeds stuff to the mainstream media to discredit me."

President Bush and U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld struck similar chords this week. Rumsfeld slammed the media Tuesday for presenting "exaggerated reports" about the violence between religious factions in Iraq. Bush, during a speech in Washington on Monday, predicted a "hopeful future" for Iraqis.

"The terrorists are losing on the field of battle, so they are fighting this war through the pictures we see on television and in the newspapers every day," Bush said.

Forget that the country is quickly sliding into an all-out civil war. Ignore the Department of Defense's warning that nuclear weapons-hungry Iran is now providing "improvised explosive devices (IED)" that take lives daily in Iraq.

So, GWB and the DOD predict that the new WMDs are Iran's IEDs? But, hey, no worries - it's probably just the media exaggerating things again. After all, if O'Reilly never insults people and the president's poll numbers are rigged, then things must be just jolly in Iraq.

11:28 PM, March 19, 2006  
Anonymous DC said...

Wasn't listening to show this am, so wondered if Ron talked about the revolting Senate vote to allow drilling in ANWR. (Lonna, please post where you got the info about the Democratic traitor from LA who helped Bu$h and the rest of his corporate "fascists" win a big victory against the dedicated environmentalists who have been fighting this for 25 years.)
Latest from Linda, is that the funding for LIHEAP was approved, but not thanks to
Rep. Steve Pearce (R) who was one of the few to vote against it.
FINALLY heard "Time After Time" played on The Fox yesterday.
:-) Thanx! Also, heard you after you played Gladys Knight and the Pips the other day, Ron. You have to think about what the best thing that ever happened to you is? That should've been an easy one. :-)
Don't the 2 best things that ever happened to you live in Colorado?
Peace!

2:49 PM, March 20, 2006  
Anonymous DC said...

2 Ron:
Thanx for moving my unfortunately illplaced post, but I noted that you edited it. Gee, I wonder why? LOL!
Hey, Lonna, did you post about the yeehaw that put the note on your protest truck that said "Your an idiot!"? One would think that if the Bushies are going to criticize a liberal's intelligence, they could at least use correct spelling and grammar. :-)

2:56 PM, March 20, 2006  
Anonymous DC said...

Well, just got done emailing Bingaman and Domenici about their votes on ANWR. Bingaman voted NO to protect the refuge and Domenici
voted YES in favor of his rich oil company campaign contributers/Party. Trust Pearce to do the same. The email address I got from a PAC didn't work, but you can go to the official sites of both senators and fill out contact forms to email them.
I thanked Jeff, of course, and ooh man, Domenici, if he actually reads my email, will not like it at all. LOL

4:20 PM, March 20, 2006  
Blogger Dedanna said...

I've said it before, and will say it again and again. The thoughts in Ron's first post here about the Democratic turnout at elections is ever so true in the past 2 elections at least.

However, none of us asked for GWB either.

This is why they made the Independent party, it's also why I planted myself with it years ago, and it's why I will remain there.

Both parties spout their rhetoric, without much to back it all up but that, both seek to either have revenge against or to avenge the other; neither is truly for the people, and come out the same in the end.

I don't need any more of the same people. I need drastic change if I'm to stay in the U.S., and it doesn't look like that's going to happen.

This is another reason I've resolved to leave.

Take care.

12:13 AM, March 21, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Regarding the Chavez Co Democratic Party. Actually would be nice if the so-called leadership of the local Democrats would communicate meetings and such to ALL Democrats ahead of time. Putting a small ad or notice somewhere in the paper the day of the meeting, if even that much, is not proper communication. Neither is not contacting by e-mail, postal mail or phone calls local Dems regarding the County Preprimary Convention. And how about returning phone calls when local Dems have taken the time to actually Find a number for the local chair and leaving a message.
No, this is not a complaint from just people with different political views than the so-called leadership of the Chavez Co. Dems.
There are M-a-n-y local Dems who are not contacted about meetings and events. They have voiced complaints and concerns at gatherings and directly to the party chair. They have grown tired of being ignored and the unorganized mess that is the best friend of Roswell Repubs: the Chavez Co. Democratic Party. So, no more remarks about how nice-it- would-be or comments in the paper AFTER the preprimary convention about the people attending were the ones who were Really Concerned.
Interesting that the local Dem leadership could respond in a few days with a letter to the editor attacking a previous letter about how ineffective the local Dem leadership was, but can not give proper notice of the preprimary county convention or other meetings. And no talk about lack of funds. Phone trees take very little if any money, but they do require o-r-g-a-n-i-z-a-t-i-o-n. If the local Dem leadership thinks these are only a few disgruntled complainers, guess again! People can work for particular candidates,
non-party NGOs and even the State and National Dem Party. They Do Not need to waste time, money and effort on the Chavez Co Dem Party.
In fact, as Ron has mentioned they don't even need to be registered Democrats.

12:20 PM, March 21, 2006  
Blogger The Donkey said...

The county is Chaves, not Chavez. The name is a corruption of the Spanish word, Llaves. Chaves is also a very old city in Portugal. Chaves County is named for Jose Francisco Chaves, a Union U.S. Army officer in the Civil War, a Republican and NM Congressional Delgate.

To date Mrs. Garcia, the CC party chair, has not written a response to the letter in the newspaper. The Roswell Daily Record printed the letter with a false name and telephone number, in violation of their policy. There is no registered Democrat named Virginia Montoya in Chaves county. The Donkey does not know a Virginia Montoya.

The Donkey knew of the NM Preprimary Convention months before it happened. The Democrats that elected delegates to attend the convention knew when it was. About 135 Democrats voted and sent 33 delegates to Albuquerque. It is interesting how so many people attended yet others appear to be clueless.
If one wishes to organize phone trees, send emails, and stuff and pay for envelopes, great. The Donkey is busy enough already and needs the rest. He is tired from his trip to Albuquerque and collecting signatures. Of course it is always easier to whine and deride the people doing the work.

5:30 PM, March 21, 2006  
Blogger Ron said...

It's really the people on the national level who set the agenda. Local people can go to the convention but how much influence someone can have is questionable. Presidents don't usually preside with the platform as their guide. We need the people at the top to stand up and be an opposition party. What the locals can do is loudly complain to the national party and national party representitives. God bless the people that get involved and try to make a difference.

5:36 PM, March 21, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From today's Albuquerque paper:

N.M. Dems Call For Bush's Exit

By Jeff Jones
Copyright © 2006 Albuquerque Journal; Journal Politics Writer
The New Mexico Democratic Party is calling for President Bush's removal from office— a position some party leaders are already distancing themselves from.
The resolution says "the Democratic Party of New Mexico supports the impeachment of George Bush and his lawful removal from office." It was adopted as a floor amendment to the state party platform at a convention Saturday in Albuquerque.
The state Democratic Party chairman, John Wertheim, said Saturday's vote at a gathering of more than 1,200 party delegates shows that many Democrats believe the Bush administration is "fraught with abuses of power and violations of the Constitution."
State Republican chairman Allen Weh on Monday chalked up the vote in part to "mob psychology" at the Democratic Party's pre-primary convention at Highland High School.
"The mob psychology starts to take place, and moderate people get intimidated into going along," Weh said. "I submit to you there are lots of patriotic Democrats— and that this frenzied mob of left-wing radicals doesn't represent the mainstream Democrats in the heartland."
Wertheim said he believes at least two other state Democratic parties have adopted similar resolutions.
New Mexico Democratic party executive director Matt Farrauto said he thinks the New Mexico party's vote is "consistent with the national mood" concerning Bush.
Meanwhile, two prominent New Mexico Democrats— Sen. Jeff Bingaman, who is seeking re-election this year, and Attorney General Patricia Madrid, who is challenging Republican Rep. Heather Wilson for the 1st Congressional District seat— steered clear of the state party action.
More on website

8:14 PM, March 21, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How is it Clinton was impeached when only 26% of the people wanted him inpeached?

There have been grounds for Bush to be impeached since before the war, the majority of people think he is a "national embarrassment," the top three words to describe him (by poll) are "incompetent," "idiot," and "liar," yet the Democratic "leaders" steer away from asking for impeachment. Which is the clear desire of a majority of Democrats and many Republicans?

It boggles the mind.

The Des Moines Register wrote a good editorial about getting out of Iraq.

Lonna

8:40 AM, March 22, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I sent this letter to the paper today. We shall see if they publish it.

Thank You, New Mexico Democrats!!

Kudos to the New Mexico Democratic Party for voting to impeach G.W. Bush!!

If only the DLC, the people who forced a man people admired, Paul Hackett, out of the Ohio primary, would exhibit that kind of leadership!

It is amazing that when Clinton was impeached, only 26% of the population (Democrats and Republicans) were in favor of impeachment, but Republicans were so "outraged" a president would lie about his sex life, they went ahead with impeachment anyway. It came out that many of the “outraged” had lied about their sex lives as well.

Now, this president's popularity is at 34%. The 3 most common words used to describe him (by poll) were "incompetent," "idiot," and "liar." A majority of the people believe he deliberately "misled" this country into war. His administration deceitfully juxtaposed the words “terrorism” and “Hussein” until 70% of the population believed Hussein was involved in 9/11, and he got the war with Iraq he wanted.

Lawyers assert he can be impeached because under him America has become a nation that tortures, as well as for illegal wiretapping.

We should be able to impeach him simply for general incompetence and dragging our country's honor through the mud.

It will be decades, if ever, before America can regain the prestige she enjoyed in the world before Bush.

We may never get out of the economic hole his irresponsible tax cuts for himself, his "class," and corporations have dug for us.

And noone can bring back the soldiers who died for profits for Cheney’s Halliburton and Bush, Sr.’s Carlyle Group.

But, somehow, it is ridiculous that the worst president in history should be impeached!

Michael Parenti said “When the people lead, the leaders will follow.” But not, apparently, if those leaders are part of the DLC.

Lonna

9:53 AM, March 22, 2006  
Blogger The Donkey said...

The Roswell daily mistake printed a clarification about the Virgina Garcia letter, stating the author's name and address were verified but they can not contact the person now. That clears things up, right?

More about the Democratic convention:

In addition, Dallas Timmons, another delegate from Bernalillo County, who's also an SCC member, introduced this amendment to the platform, which also passed by a large margin:

We believe the United States should abide by the Geneva Convention on all issues of conduct of war and prevent the U.S. military and our nation's intelligence agencies from utilizing torture of prisoners or detainees in any manner or at any time whatsoever.

It's telling that if an amendment or motion from the floor was allowed to be introduced by the Chair, it generally passed by a large margin, sometimes almost unanimously. What does this mean? That the Democratic Convention delegates are definitely from the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party, oftentimes way ahead of elected officials on timely and crtitical issues.

more at this blog:
http://www.democracyfornewmexico.com/democracy_for_new_mexico/2006/03/rundown_on_week.html#more

11:17 PM, March 22, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

well donkey, sorry about the "error" in misspelling Chaves. Now that's really an important point isn't it! Most Hispanic spellings of the name is Chavez. You don't have the time for phone trees but do have the time for petty points. What's interesting is how those who did attend knew about the meeting while many Dems, some who have recently moved here and from out of state didn't. Maybe its really about who you know? Anyway, yes there was a letter in the Roswell Daily Record from the Chaves Co Dem. Party leadership ( not necessarily leader) attacking an earlier letter criticizing the local Dem leadership. Of course, Donkey from your letter you obvisously don't won't to believe or don't care about the very real situation in my earlier post. That doesn't change the reality. So you are no one to talk about whining. And BTW, some of the rest of us are already active outside of the Chaves Co. Dem Party so go ahead and have your little group of L-o-s-e-r-s and attack those of us who tell the truth and try and get things done. We don't need you. And again, phone trees don't take money, just a little time. Its obvious you are as much of a pseudo-intellectual as the game. You are so Roswell.

11:29 AM, March 23, 2006  
Anonymous DC said...

Hey! Hey! I only live here and don't consider myself "so Roswell" ('course I hail from a Blue state, so I MAY be smarter than the average Roswell bear (also The Game who is from my home state-hiss at him!)) I belong to the Chaves Co. Democratic Party. I like the people who are involved in it, but wish that more Democrats here would be active. Sad to say, I sometimes think that some of the people who attend meetings and rallies see it as a chance to socialize and eat dinner and don't do much to get involved. They don't come to protests even tho they hate the war, the rotten environmental policies of the completely horrible steward of Goddesses creation, the endangerment of our civil rights, etc. Heck, one wonders if some of them even went out to vote. Certainly, many of the other registered Dems who don't come to meetings didn't vote. Their apathy is appalling. Don't diss the whole Party, tho. I think it needs to be better organized and more pro-active, but it isn't all bad. The problem with politics in Chaves Co. is that the oil/gas industries are a big thing here and that means mostly Republicans, but the worst thing is that the crazy fantatical evangelical churches who apparently teach that only Republican conservatives will make it into Heaven outnumber the rational ones by a huge number. I never would've believed a city of 50,000 could have so many churches, either, but it's because these good Christian folks can't get along, so break off and form their own off-the wall churches all the time. (And I still say that The Church On the Move is a CULT-albeit a "Christian" one (they're not REAL Christians).)

4:35 PM, March 23, 2006  
Blogger The Donkey said...

The Donkey is confused. How can some one know so much about the Chaves County Democrartic Party, including knowing Ms. Barbra Reed is the spokesperson, yet does not know when the local convention was?

Ms. Reed did not identify herself as Chaves County leadership, in her letter to the paper. How would one know this? Mrs. Garcia created the position of CCDP spokesperson in 2004. That year some local idiots were calling the radio station and claimed they were Democrats. They would precede to say stupid things. Many people were claiming to be speaking for the CCDP. It became necessary to state only the spokesperson could state the offical CCDP platform.

The Donkey does use phone trees. The Donkey thought some one else was offering to help. The Donkey will not be calling the local critic because the Donkey has no idea who it is and this whiner has no intention of helping the CCDP.

The Donkey has friends in the CCDP, and is annoyed that one would call them l-o-s-e-r-s. It is not wise to annoy the Donkey.

Perhaps you could tell the Donkey what wonderful things you have done out side the CCDP. Have you helped any candidates? The Donkey knows most candidates and none have mentioned the anonymous critic, who thinks the phrase, "You are so Roswell", is an insult.

As for the Donkey being a pseudo-intellectual, the Donkey can only attempt to describe, in as uncertain terms as possible, the misshaped wrinkles on the wrinkled and misshapen face of the world. It aspires to develop intense dialogues within dialogues, to rediscover the meaning of meaning- and then forget, all in the same sentence, to steal away from the hordes of popular culture and the real intellectuals the megaphone of interpretation of experience. The Donkey deigns to use large words and not define them. The Donkey shall, once in a while, use small words and deign to define them. Against the hand of truth, the Donkey is the other hoof.

And really, more likely, the Donkey is just a jackass with too much to say and too small an audience. If you've wound your way to the end of this, it's likely you'll read anything by now.

9:12 PM, March 23, 2006  
Anonymous DC said...

I read all the way to the end, but it's not true that I'll read anything. However, one would think that would be true as I do often waste my time reading posts from
The Game. :-(
Anyone who would insult The Donkey needs to have his/her head examined, as the Donkey's intelligence and wit should be well known to anyone who reads this blog. Also, Donkey regularly attends meetings of the CCDP, has participated in peace protests, etc. He is very involved. Instead of dissing the CCDP, critics should join it and try to help make it better.
Also, saw a neat (Latin) quote last nite-
Vox populi,vox Dei.
Trans.-The voice of the people is the voice of God.
That's a heck of a lot more true than the voice of Bu$h is the voice of God.
Peace, y'all!

4:23 PM, March 24, 2006  
Blogger The Donkey said...

Thank you for the kind words, DC.

The Donkey suspects this critic is not an outsider, rather a person who knows much about the CCDP.

Even a pseudo-intellectual knows that anonoymous comments on blogger are not very anonoymous. Even a stupid donkey could get the IP address and determine the internet provider. The Donkey wonders if Games employer, knows the lame game uses a work computer to post comments and sometimes edits his blog from a work computer, A computer paid for by taxpayers. The Donkey thinks they may find out soon.

5:23 PM, March 24, 2006  
Anonymous DC said...

Actually, speaking of The Game and work, I wonder how he finds time during the school year to do a blog of his own and post comments on either blog from whatever school he is working at. From what I understand, teachers are lucky to find time to do anything not work-related during the school year. At any rate, I wouldn't imagine that the school Administrator, Superintendent, and School Board would look kindly on him using a school computer for personal business. :-(
And, you're welcome, Donkey. You deserve all kinds of praise and good comments. :-)

3:10 PM, March 25, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

if donkey and his ccdp group would spend as much time addressing the reality of the ccdp disorganization, as was mentioned in the original post, as they do attacking those who told the truth and acting smug, may be they wouldn't be such losers. you sound just like the bush administration and o'reily. wouldn't be surprised if you call homeland security or even better fox security just like they do. to anyone reading these posts and who is interested just do your own research and you will see that the original comments about ccdp are true. and by the way donkey, what kind of person keeps refering to themselves in the third person preceded by the definitive article. who is anonymous, anonymous is plural.

4:06 PM, March 25, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh god y'all, from both ends, haven't we had enuf totin' the party line these days???

10:05 PM, March 25, 2006  
Blogger The Donkey said...

This anonynous critic could a mole. The mole comes to the meetings, pretends to be supportive of the current leadership then feeds information to others who want to take over the CCDP.

The critic could just be the tool of the mole. The mole feeds the critic data, who regurgitates it on the blog.

The Donkey is not toteing the party line. The Donkey is trying to find out who this mole is. The Donkey knows the group who wants to run the party. It is the same group that lost control of the CCPD in the late 90s.

This anonymous hero claims to have no interest in helping the CCDP. It is apparent to the Donkey, the letter to the RDR and the blog posts are attempts to damage the leadership of the CCDP. A person who did not have much interest in how the CCDP was run unless they were plannning on running it.

Compared to the war in Iraq, national events and the genocide in Africa, the control of the CCDP is not too important. Locally the Donkey has the ability to influence the behaviour of others. The Donkey does what he can. The more effective the CCDP becomes, the more people will try to control it.

1:43 AM, March 26, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sounds like Repuglicans to me.

8:07 AM, March 27, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the donkey is wrong and paranoid and may be not even serious.

12:37 PM, March 27, 2006  
Anonymous DC said...

Apparently, those who can try to make a difference and those who can't criticize. No, those of us who are active in the CCDP are NOT Repuglicans, as you say. (Perish the thought-ugh!) Yes, I would like to see CCDP members become more pro-active and I think the Party needs to be better organized. A good example of that (and I have said this inumerable times) is that there should have been groups of high school and college kids organized to go out to canvas during both the 2004 and recent local elections. A lot more canvassing would've been done.
However, regardless of what the CCDP's faults are, you gotta admit that the tactics of the local, state, and federal GOP are disgusting-everything from stealing or destroying Democratic signs and defacing our headquarters to denigrating the service of decorated war heroes and out and out stealing elections. Must we become as criminal and dishonorable as our competition? Not to mention that about 70% of Roswell's over 100 churches are of the GOP supporting evangelical kind that in some cases tells their "braindead" parishioners how to vote.
What, if anything, did YOU do to help the Democratic and Libertarian candidates brave enough to run against the GOP conservative good ol' boys and girls in the last election. If you're not willing to put up (some assistance) then maybe you should shut up (the criticism of the CCDP, etc. )
Ciao!

4:13 PM, March 27, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What makes me think that it sounds like Repuglicans, is what Donkey said here: The more effective the CCDP becomes, the more people will try to control it.

How do we think they got in the running the last 8 years?

Seems to me that if the Dems don't like what the Repugs do, then they shouldn't act like them.

8:59 PM, March 27, 2006  
Blogger The Donkey said...

The Donkey is serious about the mole. If one does not think much of the conspiracy theory and the Donkey's attempts to explain the cause of an event as a secret, and deceptive plot by a covert alliance, so be it. While it is possible the Donkey is wrong, it is more probable the Donkey is right.

The donkey knew that only the paranoid survive long before Andrew Grove was quoted.

'Even paranoids have enemies' is the reply Golda Meir is said to have made to Henry Kissinger who, during the 1973 Sinai talks, accused her of being paranoid for hesitating to grant further concessions to the Palestinians. The Donkey does not know if Ms. Meir knew that Delmore Schwartz wrote, “Even paranoids have real enemies.”

The Donkey has no illusions of mind control through invisible rays, and has little use for tinfoil hats. The Donkey does not suffer persecution from powerful adversaries such as UFOs, terrorists, the Men in Black, secret societies or demons. The Donkey also knows just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they aren't out to get you.

The Donkeys sees people so fearful of persecution of terrorists, they trade their civil rights and freedom, the core American values, for the promise that Bush will protect them.

11:50 PM, March 27, 2006  
Anonymous DC said...

So, what you're saying is that Repuglicans are paranoid and if we act paranoid we are acting like them? (Act like The Game? No thanks.) Personally, I wouldn't doubt that THEY are paranoid. With the guilt they should have weighing on their consiences, no wonder they would be. With us, well you can only be lied to, cheated, beaten down, etc. so much before you learn not to trust so freely. From what I can see, the Repugs have done a pretty good job of beating down any resistance from most CC/Democrats and, man, do they ever get p'd off when they see some of us standing up and trying to assert ourselves and to become a viable opposing Party! (Lonna, feel free to chime in here.)
Also, YOU didn't say what if anything you did to help fight against victories of the GOP incumbants and the new conservative
GOP mayor.

12:31 PM, March 28, 2006  
Anonymous DC said...

Also, to the anti-CCDP person or people. (Could it be Ron who is only a quasi-Democrat in it for the primary vote? :-( )-
I don't see what practical purpose it serves to come on the blog and trash the CCDP and call those of us loyal to it, "Repuglicans". Will denigrating and demoralizing those opposed to the Cheney/Bush regime help YOUR cause?
Like it or not, the only viable competition to the GOP in this you need big bucks to campaign and win age, is the Democratic Party. I have no objections to Libertarians, Independents, Greens, etc. running, but they're not gonna win and they will take votes away from the Democratic candidates. Constructive criticism is one thing, but to just carp and whine and name call is another. The Party needs suggestions, sure, but actual assistance canvassing, telephoning, mailing info, etc. is needed. Attend meetings, rallies, protests, etc. and HELP if you're so interested. Go to the forum at the Civic Center on April 4. As I always say, one stick is easier to break than a bundle of them.

4:51 PM, March 29, 2006  
Blogger Ron said...

dc, no opposition to ccdc here. I have a beef with the national party. They should listen to howard dean.

6:15 PM, March 29, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Regarding the CCDP and the Original Post of March 21. Anyone who wants to can read it and research the facts and see that it is true criticism. Amazingly, it resulted in insults, false statements and unfounded conspiracy theories. Many of the people who have voiced these complaints Have worked with various campaigns and the CCDP and they are not all, or even mostly, members of the previous CCDP leadership. They do not have to prove anything to the donkey or dc or the current CCDP leadership. If the CCDP supports the views and attitudes of the donkey and dc then it is further proof of the original posting, and a case example of intolerent cliquish reaction to legitimate criticism.

12:18 PM, March 30, 2006  
Anonymous DC said...

2 Ron: You have said often enough that you are only registered with the Democratic Party, so you can vote in the primary, and have made your displeasure with the Party, except for your hero, Russ Feingold, pretty clear. I'm not a big fan of Hillary's either, but on the other hand I am not dissing her for hanging around with GOP conservatives and then demonstrating my willingness to consort with THE GAME! Just be glad that I said quasi not cwazy. LOL

3:21 PM, March 30, 2006  
Anonymous DC said...

2 Annonymous:
What is wrong with me being loyal to my Party, particularly as my Party is the Party of the People and not the military-industrial complex, etc.?
Much as I HATE to say anything good about Dubya, at least he has some understanding of the concept of loyalty. 'Course in his case, it is totally misplaced loyalty because his Administration is full of the biggest bunch of liars, crooks,hypocrites, warmongers, etc. that I've ever seen. Still, he is willing to be loyal to his own team thru thick and thin, so painful as it is I have to give him credit for that.
Also, I suspect that the majority of the people in the CCDP and the ones who don't get involved who know anything about me, think I'm totally leftwing radical nut, so don't judge THEM by ME. I'll let Donkey speak for himself. :-)

3:30 PM, March 30, 2006  
Anonymous DC said...

2 Dedanna:
I finished the trilogy I told you about last night. Wow!! You gotta read these. I looked them up on Amazon and reviewed/rated them (5 stars out of 5). Re: customer reviews-average rating is 4 1/2 stars. I ought to write to Peter Jackson and suggest that he make movies out of them. Could do it like he did with LOTR, all at the same time,maybe, and film them in New Zealand, too. :-)

3:35 PM, March 30, 2006  
Anonymous DC said...

Ron, hope I didn't hurt your feelings with what I said in my last posts. Since you're really a Populist or Independent, you can't really be accused of betraying your Party by dissing them (unlike SOME who claim to be loyal Dems and then trash the CCDP :-( )
Just wish you would be more willing to speak up for the Liberals on YOUR team just as we would for you. Most of us were thrilled with your post to Game at the beginning of the month ( "...so take that you bigoted fascist, the truth hurts you treasonous nazi excretement.") I really hated to see you back down. Game is a bully and a manipulator and so entrenched in Ann Coulterisms, I doubt he can learn much of anything from us and isn't willing to, anyway.
Regardless of whatever constructive criticism I offer, I still think you're way too good to lower yourself in order to associate with Game. He's not worth the effort.
Peace!

2:54 PM, March 31, 2006  
Anonymous DC said...

FYI-
Lonna has a letter in the RDR today- :-) If anyone in the CCDP should win an award, it should be Lonna not DC!
Also, my crabby mood is much improved as my favorite TV show "NUMB3RS" will not be
pre-empted again for basketball (ugh!) like it has for the last 2 wk. Can't imagine why I thought there would be less sports on network TV after ESPN started. There seems to be more and more all the time and, of course, if a show is pre-empted for sports it couldn't be a dumb reality show (or better yet, one of Dubya's inarticulate speeches), always has to be a show that (a) women like or (b) anyone with half a brain would like. I predict that in 5 years the pro-football season will begin the day after the Super Bowl. :-(
Ciao!

3:02 PM, March 31, 2006  
Blogger The Donkey said...

The naked mole rat has posted again. It is odd that one would know who the past leadership of the CCDP was. It is not exactly what one can look up on the internet.

4:40 PM, March 31, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

dc you speak of the party in the same way that those loyal to the party did in the former soviet union. for those following this go back and read her posts.

11:45 AM, April 01, 2006  
Anonymous DC said...

To Anonymous:
It's not just about the Party. It's about the people in it. I like the Chairwoman of the CCDP and consider her a friend. I like the Vice-Chair and consider a number of the members to be friends. I try to be loyal to my friends.
On the national level, I admire a number of Democratic leaders, particularly John Kerry, but also Russ Feingold, Barbara Boxer, Howard Dean, etc. Others like Hillary and Joe Lieberman, I'm not too crazy about, and I out and out despise that twit from LA who betrayed her Party's 25 yr. effort to prevent drilling in the ANWR, all to get the $10 Bil. for hurricane relief she should've gotten anyway, but hey, there's a heck of a lot of oil people in LA, too, right?
And if you're gonna talk about the Soviet Union and Stalin, etc., let's also talk about The Nazis and other fascists because right or left they're cut from the same cloth the Ameri-Fascist Bu$h League is. I'm a Democrat and a Liberal because their values are my values, too, and I despise everything the Republican Party has come to stand for ever since Ronald Reagan was elected. Thus, I will continue to be loyal to my own Party and if you don't like what the CCDP does then change Parties, yourselves.

2:52 PM, April 01, 2006  
Anonymous DC said...

Has anyone heard the big news yet? Seems that Dick Cheney was cleaning his hunting rifle earlier this morning and accidently shot HIMSELF in the face (greatly improving his appearance.)
April Fool!
Also, I suggest that someone start a national petition to Congress to officially designate April 1st as George W. Bush Day. LOL

2:55 PM, April 01, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"River Bend" -- The Baghdad Girl Blogger -- already won an award for best Middle East and best African Blog. Now the book of her "Baghdad Burning" blog is up for best non-fiction book award.

She suggested some "April Fools" tricks in her latest post. They are:

should you want to play an April Fool’s Day joke on an Iraqi (albeit a late one- or maybe even next year), I suggest the following:


1. “Guess what?! There’s going to be electricity this summer!!!” (For better effect, it is suggested a candle be broken in half and thrown high into the air with a whoop.)

2. “Guess what?! The Americans have declared they will be gone by 2010 and they won’t leave permanent bases behind!!!” (This should be said with a straight face.)

3. “Guess what?! They didn’t actually find three corpses in the strip of trees two streets away!!!”

4. “Guess what?! The Puppets finally formed a government!!!”

5. “Guess what?! They didn’t actually detain [fill in with the name of a relative, friend- everyone knows someone in prison these days]!!!”


6. "Guess what?! Chalabi solved the gasoline crisis!!!"


7. "Guess what?! No more religious militias- they've been banned from the country!!!" (This should be said in a low voice - just in case)


8. "Great news!! The US is going to make public how the billions of dollars in Iraqi oil money AND donations were 'spent'!!!"


9. "Guess what?! They're going to actually begin reconstructing the country and they estimate it will take 5 years!!!"


10. "Guess what?! They caught Zarqawi!!!" (This will only work on Iraqis who actually think he exists.)


- posted by river @ 10:46 PM
posted by Lonna, April 2

9:31 PM, April 02, 2006  
Blogger The Donkey said...

Although the naked mole rat has a dim veiw of loyalty. The donkey agrees with the following:

"Loyalty and devotion lead to bravery. Bravery leads to the spirit of self-sacrifice. The spirit of self-sacrifice creates trust in the power of love."

Morihei Ueshiba

Friends and loyalty are important and the Donkey values both.

1:20 AM, April 04, 2006  
Blogger Dedanna said...

"Leave no billionaires behind"

--Billionaires for Bush

8:07 AM, April 04, 2006  
Blogger Dedanna said...

Too damned funny people. Check this out.

7:47 AM, April 08, 2006  
Blogger Dedanna said...

Dedanna values the truth, no matter who it offends --
I don't play the "be loyal to my friends" just because they're my friends. If they're wrong, they're wrong, and I tell 'em so. To take it a step further, if someone is a true friend, they will accept one's way in this, and vice-versa.

5:39 PM, April 15, 2006  

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