Monday, September 05, 2005

Coffee Table

All types and sundry comments welcome here.

41 Comments:

Blogger Ron said...

Ok, I'll start this one this time. A question for the ladies in the house...totally unrelated to politics.
Why is it that so many ladies have such an affinity for the vernable, needy guy. What is it in the mothering instinct that just won't let go? Is it a matter of being needed? Do you think it is possible to be needed by a non dependant person? Give me your thoughts and any physcobabble you want to throw out. Guys if you want to throw in your speculation ...go for it(gee ron what's happening in your life these days?:-)

6:01 PM, September 05, 2005  
Blogger Dedanna said...

Don't ask me. I just got rid of a guy like that.

I have a friend though, who just can't let go of her needy guy.

I think that women in general at least need communication. They're much more open, and less reserved than men are. I think more than anything, that women need to feel that they are loved, not necessarily needed.

I'm glad I'm not any more.

6:24 PM, September 05, 2005  
Blogger Dedanna said...

Needed, that is.

And, that I don't have the responsibility of loving anyone but myself if I choose any more.

6:25 PM, September 05, 2005  
Blogger The Donkey said...

Roswell may get 400 people from the flooded area. The Donkey has not been able to verify this. The Donkey's read the information on this website:

http://www.howyoucanvolunteer.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=37

10:38 PM, September 05, 2005  
Blogger The Donkey said...

The Donkey read the article about the Duke students who broke laws and used press ids to help save people. One paragraph summed it up:

"Anyone who knows that area, if you had a bus, it would take you no more than 20 minutes to drive in with a bus and get these people out," Buder said. "They sat there for four or five days with no food, no water, babies getting raped in the bathrooms, there were murders, nobody was doing anything for these people. And we just drove right in, really disgraceful. I don't want to get too fired up with the rhetoric, but some blame needs to be placed somewhere."

These students did save people, they also proved how the National Guard trapped people in the convention center to die. Hundreds of people would have died if not for the efforts of real Americans. Americans that did not wait on leaders and officials to tell them how to save people. Yes, some people who tried to help people were robbed. That did not stop brave people from rescuing and helping each other.

The heros of America did what they could to help. The rest whined and decided who was to blame. There are still people that need water,food and shelter. When people in America stop dying of thirst, then the Donkey will shift his focus off getting water to people. Ron said on the radio this Friday. "We can not do any thing for them. What do you want me to do, wade in the water and resuce them?' Hundreds of people did just that.

The Donkey spent most of the last few days on the internet, emailing people, getting telephone numbers to help people contact each other, putting names of missing people on message boards, helping consolidate information to central locations. There are hundreds of people driving and flying into the Gulf Coast areas to help. They have cars and trucks packed with water and food. They get to the area, distribute the food, drive back to find more. They have been doing this for days. Other people send money, calling cards. These are the Americans that the Donkey wants to help and be like.

11:58 PM, September 05, 2005  
Blogger The Donkey said...

Barbara Bush: things going 'Very Well' for poor NOLA evacuees
Accompanying ex-prez husband George H.W. Bush on la tour de hurricane relief, Marie Antoinette Barbara Bush today commented on the poor who'd been displaced by Katrina:

This is working very well for them. (...)Almost everyone I've talked to says we're going to move to Houston.

"What I'm hearing which is sort of scary is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is so overwhelmed by the hospitality.

"And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this--this (she chuckles slightly) is working very well for them."

1:37 AM, September 06, 2005  
Blogger The Donkey said...

The donkey wonders why this story was killed.
What did happen? Can the lame game explain this? How about below average joe or Mark?


5 Contractors Killed on New Orleans Bridge
Email this Story

Sep 4, 6:10 PM (ET)




NEW ORLEANS (AP) - Police shot eight people carrying guns on a New Orleans bridge Sunday, killing five or six, a deputy chief said. A spokesman for the Army Corps of Engineers said the victims were contractors on their way to repair a canal.



The contractors were walking across a bridge on their way to launch barges into Lake Pontchartrain to fix the 17th Street Canal, said John Hall, a spokesman for the Corps.

Earlier Sunday, New Orleans Deputy Police Chief W.J. Riley said police shot at eight people, killing five or six.

The shootings took place on the Danziger Bridge, which spans a canal connecting Lake Pontchartrain and the Mississippi River.

3:29 AM, September 06, 2005  
Blogger Ron said...

Donkey, ron said nothing of the sort. ron would have encouraged anyone that could to save them. ron said there was no organization set up, no where for them to go. we were to far away to wade in the water and save them. ....the story you have is a bit inacurate, unless of course it has been changed to protect someone. the actual story is that workers were being fired on and police killed the shooters. thats the story i finally got anyway. truth..who knows. ron apologizes to donkey for hanging up on him. ron was and is very mad at our government but shouldnt have taken it out on donkey.

4:30 AM, September 06, 2005  
Blogger Ron said...

Oh wait...I get it now:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2005/09/03/bbc-show-teaches-women-to_n_6726.html

4:48 AM, September 06, 2005  
Blogger Dedanna said...

Since dedanna knows how to talk not in so much in a way that she is the third person,,,,,

Donkey, be praised. But, how are you planning on getting in to New Orleans to do all that you want to do? Do you know of an i.d. you can rip off also?

I've heard that 250 of the displaced people from the hurricane are going to Clovis. Damn, it's sure been taking long enough to get them to these places. Let's see... it's been a week at least now, since the hurricane, and those people needed water then.

How long is it again that a human being is supposed to be able to live without water?

Oh yeah, according to this, a whole 3-4 days! WOW!! Amazing that these people who still haven't even been rescued at all are still alive! I mean, since the real Americans who want to help and bring them water, can't get into New Orleans at all, y'know, like the Red Cross, ham radio operators, that USS Bataan, the Peace Corps, regular people with boats. Absolutely amazing.

7:43 AM, September 06, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Regarding the comments made by Ron's first caller today-it doesn't do any good to criticize the victims. Many of those who could have evacuated New Orleans and did not are surely regretting it, and to criticize them does not solve the current problems. It just deflects blame from those who could have done something to prevent the situation and did not. If they are let off the hook, they will surely fail again at some point in the future, so they need to take responsibility for their actions and be watched more closely in the future.
Many people in New Orleans, just as in other large cities, do not own cars. They take buses, taxis, and the trolley cars if they are still operating. These people could not simply get in their vehicles and drive out of the city. There were supposed to be buses to evacuate them. Where were they?
It is also true that many disadvantaged people tend to be rather fatalistic. It is likely that they trusted fate in that they expected Hurricane Katrina to veer away from New Orleans, and if I am correct, the storm did veer away and the city did not take the full brunt of it. The major problem is that the levees broke and flooded the city, and the flood victims did not anticipate this happening. I heard on "Dateline" that it is the responsibility of the Army Corp. of Engineers to maintain the levees. The latter, obviously, failed to do this. Therefore, it is probably more true that New Orleans was not destroyed by an act of God, than by a failure of man (our federal government) to act.
It is also true that the National Guard is supposed to be available to help in times of emergency, but I have heard that 65% of the Louisiana National Guard is in Iraq. The Guardsmen should have been in Lousiana laying down sandbags to reinforce the levees instead of in Iraq fighting PNAC's oil war. A friend who is a veteran, told me recently that he does not believe the National Guard/Reserves, who he called "weekend warriors", is truly prepared to be fighting this war at all. The purposes of the National Guard are to maintain home security, help out in times of great emergency, and to go overseas to fight when the regular military can not handle it alone and needs the help. We should not be fighting this war in Iraq and overextending our military forces.
What happened in New Orleans did not need to happen.

2:02 PM, September 06, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I neglected to mention in the last post that there is now a tropical storm headed toward Florida. Jeb Bush, brother to the President, is the governor there. If there is major storm damage in Fla. will it be a G W Bush priority to send federal financial aid to Fla. before Louisiana and Mississippi? These PNAC people look out for themselves and each other first, after all.
La Souris

3:11 PM, September 06, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just read a great column by Molly Ivins re: the mess in New Orleans and she says it's 35% not 65% of the Guard in Iraq-still bad.
You can read Molly's columns on Creator's Syndicate or elsewhere. She's great and should be in our local newspaper, but a local petition to the editor to add her column to the editorial page rated a negative response. He thinks the paper's editorial page is very well balanced. Uh, arch- conservatives Wm. F. Buckley and Cal Thomas vs. Helen Thomas as the SOLE liberal (plus various "moderates") is balanced? Me thinks the right has moved so far over into la la land that the media no longer understands what the difference between a traditional conservative and a moderate is. Helen is the only REAL liberal featured and that is not editorial balance, in my opinion.--DemoCat

3:23 PM, September 06, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ron, we think YOU should write a column for the paper. You could just flesh out your front page articles a little to do it!

You are LOCAL, and you are "up" on what is happening in the world -- make it your business to be.

PERHAPS, the paper would be kinda willing to let a local liberal write??

Lonna

3:45 PM, September 06, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, right. Any paper want a liberal to write for them?

That's a good one, to be sure. LOL.

5:18 PM, September 06, 2005  
Blogger Dedanna said...

Well, we got the official word today, and it's mighty disappointing. The word "rumor-mill", if you will, is that it comes down to "red tape", and that's the disappointing part.

Clovis will not be taking in evacuees.

Frikkin' shifty fifty.

6:05 PM, September 06, 2005  
Blogger Dedanna said...

I don't get it. Why can't Clovis house people, using the base that's closing?

6:10 PM, September 06, 2005  
Anonymous diane said...

Ron---we do not have an affinity for needy guys, they have an affinity for us!!!and besides try to find either male or female who does not present a need of some sort in this world, where most needs are never met anyway, going all the way back to childhoods lost...gee ron what is going on in your life these days???writer

2:36 AM, September 07, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gosh, Ron, you've asked a question I ask myself constantly, as I am the queen of the co-dependent fixers. Some of it may be the maternal instinct. A lot of it goes back to childhood and what people experienced there. As an ACOA (adult child of alcoholic) who was the child of ACOAs, I learned this at my mother's feet. You always hope you can "fix" them if you love them enough, do and say the right things, etc. , but if they don't want to get well, it's a lost cause. It's easy to get addicted to this kind of thing and I sure have been, plus am seeing my best friend "wasting herself" on a guy who does not seem to want to get well. It's sad, but I can't do anything but offer her love and support.
Yes, it's possible to be needed by a non-dependent person, but it's necessary to break the pattern of co-dependancy first.--DemoCat

3:52 PM, September 07, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Questions: Why did Ron pose this particular question? Is Ron a needy guy or a non needy guy? Does he need his fans, for instance? Is he asking because he knows someone who is attracted to needy guys and can't understand it when she could have someone who was more stable, intelligent, and more her type? Hmmm! Will have to speculate about this one. (Smile Face)

4:08 PM, September 07, 2005  
Blogger Ron said...

The relationship between the paper and radio stations is...lets say, not good. I think you should write it Lonna!:-)

7:28 PM, September 07, 2005  
Blogger Ron said...

Democat, I can tell you men do the same thing. I can tell you personally. The problem, I have found, is that once they are "fixed" they are attractive to many others to and ready to explore the possibilities. In other words you are just fixing them up for someone else.I guess we all learn at our own rate..too bad.

"Is he asking because he knows someone who is attracted to needy guys and can't understand it when she could have someone who was more stable, intelligent, and more her type? Hmmm! Will have to speculate about this one. (Smile Face)"
Quit spying on me!!!;-)..Hey, I'm just trying to learn from others experiences.

7:36 PM, September 07, 2005  
Blogger Ron said...

Oh by the way writer, the vast majority of my needs ARE met. I guess I need to thank God for being so lucky. It's just those couple things that get agonized over. Time for the good ol gratitude list.

7:47 PM, September 07, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

lol...writer
ps-tried to tune in today, lost signal from about 9:40 am to dennis idiot show...conspiracy theory???lol...diane

8:48 PM, September 07, 2005  
Blogger Dedanna said...

'once they are "fixed" they are attractive to many others to and ready to explore the possibilities. In other words you are just fixing them up for someone else.'

Ain't that the damned truth. :|

5:03 AM, September 08, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now now, Ron, don't get yourself into a tizzy and jump to conclusions. DemoCat didn't mean to SPY, but like all cats she's CURIOUS.
DemoCat was under the mistaken impression that her friend had recently communicated with you about her current situation. DemoCat, also, remembered how much you liked her friend and wondered if that was what inspired your topic.
Other than that, DemoCat was just teasing you a little bit. (Tease me. Tease me. I can take it!) Smile Face-- DemoCat

2:42 PM, September 08, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am sure the editor of the paper hates me already. Occassionally, I send him unsolicited stuff I think he should know.

On top of which other people have suggested to the editor and publisher that I write a column for them. They have had no interest in pursuing that.

Besides that, I am a nobody with no credentials, not a renowned radio personality like yourself. You already DO have a following.

Diane would be a good one to write for them. She has written for CNN.

Leadership: Being responsible for EVERYTHING that goes on underneath you. You know. Like Bill Clinton was expected to be. Instead we have a wimp who expects everyone else to take charge for him.

This was written about Hitler in about 1943 in a psychological study done about him by our governement.

"His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.” (L. 75.)

I wrote a 20 page single spaced article doing the unacceptable -- comparing Bush and Hitler from that psychological study.

Hitler, BTW, was the "family values" leader.

In 1943 Langer wrote, “It was not only Hitler, the madman, who created German madness, but German madness that created Hitler. Having created him as its spokesman and leader, it has been carried along by his momentum, perhaps far beyond the point where it was originally prepared to go…The madness of the Fuehrer has become the madness of a nation…a reciprocal relationship exists between the Fuehrer and the people…the madness of the one stimulates and flows into the other and vice versa.” (L. 154.)

Lonna

3:28 PM, September 08, 2005  
Blogger Dedanna said...

Which has already happened, IMHO, with Bushco...

4:25 PM, September 08, 2005  
Blogger BeWitchingWizard said...

Ron, It appears that the show likes to bait and switch alot, I can admit first I can't stand a liar and second I am tired of all the misery the republicans have caused Americans, for the last 5 years, their Lies, their cheating, their bullying and the boredom of the cover-up they always are in. Now there are no excuses in my book so I won't give you any. You came to line 2, I just beat you by a second, Now normally it would be I who got to speak, and line 1 was supposed to shut up - it didn't happen that way - you knew through your caller ID that it was me (thats what I mean by bait and switch) I have never been able to speak to that lying pussy before although I have tried. So I was more than upset, I mean I wasn't even going to call until the third or fourth lie came out of his mouth. You may like to listen to him and you may think he has something to add - but in my book a liar is not constructive. This is the same little pansy who went to John Dunn and got him to do what he did 3 - 4 weeks ago, Now I don't care if he owns Roswell _ I have my opinion and as far as I know this is still America and there is still freedom of speech . If stupid John Dunn doesn't realize that telling us this is his toys and he going to pick them up and take them home, maybe the listening public did. He is a stupid man who only cut his own nose off despite his face(and it would have only improved his looks anyway)You have to work for this bully of an ass, I don't, and I don't have to listen to this Republican Bob make excuses for his bastard of an administration, Bob doesn't believe in accountability (Obviously if you knew people - you'd realize he has even lied about his military service, MP in Berlin and oh how the Germans love us - BS) Its your show I didn't even know you had cut me off the show in response to that loser, but he could hear me, so I am sure he will go whining to your boss, whining what branch of service was he in - Mommy's privileged little snakes. You do what you want, and John Dunn the fool that he is can do what he wants, and Bob - what an ass, but go ahead and allow people with no integrity on, I am after all the Maniac, but better than that I am an American - and all of you Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death, something no one knows that responsibility better than I. I remain as Always the One who this time Is Right and yes I stand Alone - what else is new, until the Democrats want someone like me or Howard Dean just let us know.
The Maniac and Linda

8:17 PM, September 08, 2005  
Blogger BeWitchingWizard said...

But You Know you never can get Rid of us Ron cause were tooooo cooool and love to call in and talk to you , even thought we sometimes are Psychic and sometimes Psychotic,
Light And Love
Linda and The Maniac

10:39 PM, September 08, 2005  
Blogger BeWitchingWizard said...

Well that was great I Linda Maniac actually had a Job this morning and after I left I heard Democat call and then When I get home Mr.Maniac is once again flipping out as he says he got attacked once again on The Radio (oh dear what else is new) are we flip floping ? but this time by Democat , so Once again He was betrayed and since she has no respect for the time he has put on the show maybe its time for him to Retire He is not changeing who he is for anyone . , But GOD . You like liars have a nice life. Oh And The Maniac does Have a life other than The Show.
Linda Maniac

11:48 AM, September 09, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now, now, Linda and Maniac, you know how much I like you two. You are very cool, smart, generous, etc. and have so much to offer to the show. I have told you so before and told you this several times yesterday, in fact.
It's true that Maniac speaks for those who can't and won't call into the show and voice their extreme anger. Most of the regular callers do Bush bash frequently. I have no problem with Maniac being out in the parking lot. It's when Maniac is across the street from the parking lot that I worry. I have great respect for his intelligence, ability to articulate, spirituality, and compassion for others. But, Maniac is a friend and I know him outside of the show just as I know Linda has REALLY met The Beatles and has been on The Gong Show! (She has the photos to prove it, so all you Bushies can eat your hearts out-ha ha ha!)I digress, though. I don't want Maniac to look like an out of control radical. I want listeners to take him seriously because he has great insights.
My point is that Bob screwed up once and made a mistake about a 9/11 site and then refused to admit he made a mistake (kind of like HIS president). To call him a liar without knowing more about him is to make generalizations. I know Maniac is a forgiving person, so I hope he will find it in his heart to forgive Bob (and DemoCat, too). I don't think it serves much of a useful purpose to attack/name call someone like Bob we CAN debate
with unlike someone like The Game or Joe Artesia who are basically hopeless cases. It is better to listen to someone like Bob and then burst his Pro-Bush bubble with accurate information. Ron was doing that, but I wonder if Ron let Maniac get on the air, knowing there would be trouble w/Bob and he'd have to cut Maniac off, thereby scoring points with his conservative boss (not very nice).
Other than that, some of the other callers are concerned that hostile confrontations and name calling of private citizens will get the show cancelled. We don't want that to happen because we want the opportunity to show how BUSH and his cohorts are liars and are destroying our country.
I am sorry that I hurt Maniac's and Linda's feelings, though because I think they are super cool people.--DemoCat

1:15 PM, September 09, 2005  
Blogger BeWitchingWizard said...

Its nice what you want Democat but its not what I want, you can either accept it or join the Right, from this moment on I am neither on the right or on the left. And BOB did lie and thats truth,. The show will continue and you can be the New Vanguard We have other business to attend to where we are still needed and wanted and dont get stabbed in the Back all the fucking time oh dear Mr Cheney, Joe Artiesia and The Game are imbecils and again I do it my way.
The Maniac

and His secretary Linda

1:56 PM, September 09, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not even Bob could have anticipated the levies breaking.

8:40 PM, September 09, 2005  
Blogger BeWitchingWizard said...

Not even Bob could anticapte the truth either, he likes to fabricate and I really don't care - it will be for you to discern. He likes to belittle all of the other callers (I got a life - as if others don't) I have listened to this liar since his chicken little comments and if you are not aware of those then you don't deserve the comments I made on your behalf. In future just like Joe Artesia I shall turn Bob and his lying, boring ways off on my radio. The Maniac apologizes forhis passion. From now on if someone who claims to be my friend please make it in private the show sometimes is not friendly fodder.

The Maniac

10:09 AM, September 10, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Point taken re: doing it in private not on the show. See comments to Ron, Maniac, etc. on the new coffee table. Was NOT trying to BETRAY Maniac,who I like very much and who is MY favorite caller, but to offer the viewpoint of the more moderate callers and to appease the boss and the conservatives Ron invites to call into the show.

1:09 PM, September 10, 2005  
Blogger Dedanna said...

Excuse me, but why should there be need to appease conservatives? They've had everything they wanted bought and paid for courtesy our government for the last five years... and they have highly taken advantage of it, in that they have used it to squelch and quelch anything that isn't them, or their way.

Becoming one of them sure isn't the answer.

2:03 PM, September 11, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, latest is that DemoCat is not being forgiven and may never be forgiven. Worst of it is that she lost a valued friendship to defend a conservative republican's right to free expression, and the gentleman doesn't even have the good manners to thank her for it.
What is the moral here? Help your friends and not your enemies?

4:11 PM, September 12, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Also, Ron is right. Guys can be just as co-dependent as women can be. Why is it that some people are so attracted to people who don't appreciate them? I wish Robin Norwood had written her book before I ever got married. My life would be way different(I hope).
But, while we're discussing relationships, why is it that men still rarely make passes at women who wear glasses? When women say that intelligence, a sense of humor, trust, etc. are what we look for most, we mean it. Doesn't seem like men do when they say it. Otherwise, why is Michael Douglas who was the hottie hot hot hot when I was about 12 and he was in his mid 20s married to a woman 10+ years younger than me? Even, Ron, who is 50 and a Liberal Democrat (oh excuse me, a populist) says he could date Jessica Simpson for like a month.-Ha!--DemoCat

4:20 PM, September 12, 2005  
Blogger Dedanna said...

The truth:

Men rule the world.

They have one thing, at all times, on their minds.

Is it any wonder the world's in the shape it's in?

Yeah, sucks ass.

7:33 AM, September 13, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you, Dedanna. Has anyone ever noticed that the most peaceful societies in our history have been matriarchal ones? Men have 2 things on their minds-POWER and SEX and too often those 2 things are connected to the sorrow of many women.--DemoCat

1:58 PM, September 13, 2005  

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