Are You Willing To Take A Stand And Fix This?
This editorial includes much of the requested Dumbya information and some more: Link
First question: Why have aid and security taken so long to arrive? Katrina hit five days ago - and it was already clear by last Friday that Katrina could do immense damage along the Gulf Coast. Yet the response you'd expect from an advanced country never happened. Thousands of Americans are dead or dying, not because they refused to evacuate, but because they were too poor or too sick to get out without help - and help wasn't provided.........Even military resources in the right place weren't ordered into action. "On Wednesday," said an editorial in The Sun Herald in Biloxi, Miss., "reporters listening to horrific stories of death and survival at the Biloxi Junior High School shelter looked north across Irish Hill Road and saw Air Force personnel playing basketball and performing calisthenics. Playing basketball and performing calisthenics!"
Maybe administration officials believed that the local National Guard could keep order and deliver relief. But many members of the National Guard and much of its equipment - including high-water vehicles - are in Iraq. "The National Guard needs that equipment back home to support the homeland security mission," a Louisiana Guard officer told reporters several weeks ago.
As conservative David Brooks said in his column; "We're not really at a tipping point as much as a bursting point. People are mad as hell, unwilling to take it anymore. "
When the right wingnuts finally discover that their "movement" is now about as flooded and contaminated as New Orleans is watch them do an about face and go back to true Republican principals, trying to say-this is what we believed in/wanted all along. That would be the death nell for the Libertarians. It would also be a welcome change. Barry Goldwater looks positively delightful compared to the massive failures running the country right now.
posted by Ron at 10:47 AM
20 Comments:
Republicans want poor people dead...that is what you just said at the end of your rant...
There are 40,000 troops there...most of the first responders materials are under water idiot. The national guard takes three days at best to mobilize, bet you didn't know that either...people didn't know that after Katrina hit New Orleans was in big trouble til late Monday or even Tuesday...that means it takes til late Thursday or Friday to get the national guard there.
Average Joe shut down your pathetic asshole attempt to bash the war in Iraq by using this to spring board your hate of GWB. You have no response to what he said, besides name calling...which is all you can do because all your thoughts are arguments are emotional..
it also didn't help that a bunch of the people that were left were ATTACKING THE RESCUERS YOU FUCKING IDIOT. Make sure you ignore that point as well..
while you and the left sit there and whine about everything, the government is now getting the job done...was it done fast enough..nope...is it terrible...yep...am I smart enough to understand that nothing like this every happened before...yep...are you...nope.
here are quotes from soldiers who were there trying to help....the thugs who did all this probably cost the lives of thousands of people...
"I never thought that at a National Guardsman I would be shot at by other Americans," said Spc. Philip Baccus of the 527th Engineer Battalion. "And I never thought Id have to carry a rifle when on a hurricane relief mission. This is a disgrace."
Spc. Cliff Ferguson of the 527th Engineer Battalion pointed out that he knows there are plenty of decent people in New Orleans, but he said it is hard to stay motivated considering the circumstances.
"This is making a lot of us think about not reenlisting." Ferguson said. "You have to think about whether it is worth risking your neck for someone who will turn around and shoot at didn't We didn't come here to fight a war. We came here to help."
you have no answer for this, because it doesn't fit into your left wing agenda template...this is what is disgusting...if this happened while Clinton was president republicans would not be doing this...
the only comparison that can be made is between the two mayors of the last two major attacks...
the cry baby yelling on the TV (mayor of New Orleans...and "America's mayor who showed his courage and strength....helping a nation rise up and show its best...
not crying on TV, blaming everyone else...
here is what the mayor what suppose to do...see, I'll try and use small words so you can understand...first responders are different government agencies in the city that is being effected...fire, police, ect...
Louisiana disaster plan, pg 13, para 5 , dated 01/00
'The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in evacuating'...
I’m not going to cry and blame him...even though he is the mayor of the city and he did not do his job...every single person could have been evacuated before the hurricane, even the poor were suppose to be bused out..but if you look at the pic of the busses flooded on my blog, you will see that the job was not done...
but this all happened because republicans hate blacks...do everyone a favor and just shut the fuck up.
Whaa WHaa Whaa, You are a sick excuse for an American full of wacky hyperbole twisting what I am saying to suit your own means. Shut Your fucking mouth you fucking TRAITOR. When you find the real world again we can talk.
By the way I have been to your blog and it was full of traitoris stuff like you just posted.
another by the way, just in case you haven't figured it out yet. I'm no longer in any mood to argue your idiocy any longer. I'M MAD AS HELL THAT AMERICA IS CRUMBLING!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm going forward with the people that want to save the country and totally, irrevocabally dismissing the apologist and status quo that are content to fiddle while Rome burns. Fuck off.
When you find the real world again we can talk.
Funny, I've been saying this to him all along... LOL.
it also didn't help that a bunch of the people that were left were ATTACKING THE RESCUERS YOU FUCKING IDIOT. Make sure you ignore that point as well..
It didn't help that the rescue mission was LEFT TO WAIT long enough for there to BE ATTACKERS, YOU FUCKING IDIOT.
the government is now getting the job done...was it done fast enough..nope...is it terrible...yep...am I smart enough to understand that nothing like this every happened before...yep...are you...nope.
Not only did we FUCKING KNOW IT, that it would be a CATASTROPHE OF DRASTIC PROPORTIONS BEFORE IT HIT, ONE WE HAD NEVER SEEN BEFORE, but we KNEW also that SOMETHING would HAVE to be done RIGHT AWAY, for the PEOPLE there... you know, the AMERICANS.
"I never thought that at a National Guardsman I would be shot at by other Americans," said Spc. Philip Baccus of the 527th Engineer Battalion."
Which DIDN'T FRIKKIN' HAPPEN AT ALL... I posted the doggone STORY MYSELF about it.
if this happened while Clinton was president republicans would not be doing this...
YOU ARE SO RIGHT. THE REPUGLICANS WOULD BE WHINING ABOUT MONICA LEWINSKY, AGAIN, AND NOT GIVING A RAT'S ASS ABOUT THIS, AS THEY ARE DOING NOW.
first responders are different government agencies in the city that is being effected...fire, police, ect...
YEAH, LIKE THEY WEREN'T OVERWHELMED, YOU FRIKKIN' ASSHOLE BRAINLESS LOSER. And, the mayor HAD ASKED FOR HELP BEFORE THE DAMNED STORM HIT!
he did not do his job...every single person could have been evacuated before the hurricane, even the poor were suppose to be bused out..but if you look at the pic of the busses flooded on my blog, you will see that the job was not done...
WHICH HE ALSO ASKED FOR HELP FOR... that is NOT just the job of the frikkin' MAYOR, in a MAJOR catastrophe, you dip-sh!t!
Go crawl back into your cocoon, and know that you're the STUPIDEST poster here.
Yeah, I'm calling names. You frikkin' DESERVE them.
REALLY LOUD NOISES !!!!!!!!!!!
Everyone calm down the Chenney weather machine finally worked now Halliburton can cash in on this disaster too....I am a better American then any of you AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Mark
well, you know the insider secrets anyway mark.
I am a better American then any of you
Mark
Yeah, wishful thinking is nice, isn't it, Mark?
ummm dedumbanna
My post was completely in jest the fact that you quoted it and then provided a retort shows how far out in the loony bin people like you really are. BUSH is destroying the world! Chenny's weather machine needs OIL! Halibuton! downing street memo! Sheehan! Plamegate! Katrina! Iraq! Rummy! Black Voter Supression! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Mark
You may not be loony mark but you are at the head of the class when it comes to SHEEPLE.
LMAO.
And he calls me dumb?
Geez.
Mark, go play in the street or something. You certainly don't belong with the real Americans. You know, the ones that know what reality is all about. The reality they live.
And, who was it that said anything about a Cheney weather machine besides Mark?
LMAO.
He needs to get on some serious meds. LOL.
the weather machine is a fucking joke you idiot deanna you are so stupid you can't even recognize sarcasm do you realy think there is a weather machine moron? I am pointing out how absurd it is to blame the Bush administration for a natural disaster but maybe to your peanut size brain a weather machine is plausible that just shows how unstable a ridiculous you left wingers...ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
MArk
That's my point. I was saying that there is no such thing. You were the one who brought it up, now saying as a joke.
Sick one, at that.
This is how easy it was to save people. So, if they can do it, why can't the people who are in charge do it????
And, it seems they should have been saved right off the bat.
This is the gov't you route for ra-ra, Mark.
Now, who's the real dumbass?
Sure ain't me.
For those who might have to register to read it, I'm posting it in its entirety:
"Navy ship nearby underused
Craft with food, water, doctors needed orders
By Stephen J. Hedges
Tribune national correspondent
Published September 4, 2005
ON THE USS BATAAN -- While federal and state emergency planners scramble to get more military relief to Gulf Coast communities stricken by Hurricane Katrina, a massive naval goodwill station has been cruising offshore, underused and waiting for a larger role in the effort.
The USS Bataan, a 844-foot ship designed to dispatch Marines in amphibious assaults, has helicopters, doctors, hospital beds, food and water. It also can make its own water, up to 100,000 gallons a day. And it just happened to be in the Gulf of Mexico when Katrina came roaring ashore.
The Bataan rode out the storm and then followed it toward shore, awaiting relief orders. Helicopter pilots flying from its deck were some of the first to begin plucking stranded New Orleans residents.
But now the Bataan's hospital facilities, including six operating rooms and beds for 600 patients, are empty. A good share of its 1,200 sailors could also go ashore to help with the relief effort, but they haven't been asked. The Bataan has been in the stricken region the longest of any military unit, but federal authorities have yet to fully utilize the ship.
Captain ready, waiting
"Could we do more?" said Capt. Nora Tyson, commander of the Bataan. "Sure. I've got sailors who could be on the beach plucking through garbage or distributing water and food and stuff. But I can't force myself on people.
"We're doing everything we can to contribute right now, and we're ready. If someone says you need to take on people, we're ready. If they say hospitals on the beach can't handle it ... if they need to send the overflow out here, we're ready. We've got lots of room."
Navy helicopters from the Bataan and Pensacola Naval Air Station in Florida have joined the growing aerial armada of choppers that are lifting hurricane survivors from flooded surroundings and delivering food and water.
More will arrive throughout the weekend when the aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman and four other Navy ships, including three amphibious assault ships--really mini-aircraft carriers for helicopter use--arrive in the gulf from Norfolk, Va. The USS Comfort, a hospital ship from Baltimore, also is steaming there.
The Bataan, though, was already in the gulf when Katrina crossed Florida and picked up new, devastating energy from the warm gulf waters. The ship, sailing near the Texas coastline, had just finished an exercise in Panama and was scheduled to return to its home port in Norfolk on Friday after six weeks at sea.
Instead, the ship rode out the hurricane in 12 to 14 foot seas and then fell in behind the storm as it neared the gulf coast. A day after Katrina struck, Navy helicopters arrived from Corpus Christi, Texas, and began survey flights over New Orleans.
The initial belief, Tyson said, was that the city had been spared.
"On Monday it was like, `Wow, it missed us, it took a turn east,' and everything eased up," Tyson aid. "It was `Let's open up Bourbon Street, have a beer, let's go party, and understandably so. And then all of a sudden, literally and figuratively, the dam broke, and here we are."
When the city's levees broke Tuesday, Tyson's pilots were rescuing stranded residents. Communications became muddled as the rescue and humanitarian supply efforts were bogged down by rising water and sketchy information. Tyson, who would get debriefings from returning pilots, had perhaps one of the best vantage points to see what was unfolding.
`Like a bad dream'
"It was like a bad dream that you knew you had to wake up from," she said.
A 135-foot landing craft stored within the Bataan, the LCU-1656, was dispatched to steam up the 90 miles of Mississippi River to New Orleans. It took a crew of 16, including a doctor, and its deck was stacked with food and water. The craft carries enough food and fuel to remain self-sufficient for 10 days.
Moving up through the storm's flotsam, the crew couldn't believe the scene.
"We saw a lot of dead animals, dead horses, floating cows, dead alligators," said Rodney Blackshear, LCU-1656's navigator. "And a lot of dogs that had been pets. But no people."
Near Boothville, La., the storm surge had lifted a construction crane and put it on top of a house. Near Venice, the crew members considered going ashore to examine the damage, but dogs drove them back.
"I didn't want any of my guys in there," said Bill Fish, who commands LCUs and who went on the river trip.
"Everything was decimated. It was the storm surge."
Then the Bataan was ordered to move to the waters off Biloxi, Miss., and LCU-1656 was ordered to return. The landing craft was 40 miles from New Orleans, but it wouldn't be able to deliver its cargo.
"It was a disappointment," Fish said. "I figured we would be a big help in New Orleans. We've got electricity, and the police could have charged up their radios. We've got water, toilets. We've got food."
Now sailing within 25 miles of Gulfport, Miss., the Bataan has become a floating warehouse. Supplies from Texas and Florida are ferried out to the ship, and the helicopters distribute them where Federal Emergency Management Agency personnel say they are needed.
The Bataan has also taken on a substantial medical staff. Helicopters ferried 84 doctors, nurses and technicians 60 miles out to the ship from the Pensacola Naval Air Station on Friday, and on Saturday afternoon 24 of the medical personnel were flown to the New Orleans Convention Center where they expected to augment the staff of an Air Force medical clinic on the center's bus parking lot. The medical staff had come from Jacksonville, Fla., Naval Hospital, and they covered a wide swath of medical specialties from surgeons and pediatricians to heart specialists, a psychiatrist and even a physical therapist.
"It's really a cross section of a major hospital," said Capt. Kevin Gallagher, a Navy nurse who was part of the group. "We haven't been told what to expect, but we're going to find out once we get out there."
Moving in, ready to go
On Friday evening the Bataan was edging closer to the Mississippi shoreline; until then, it had stayed well out into the gulf to avoid floating debris.
Closer to shore, it will be able to deploy the landing craft again, as well as Marine hovercraft that can ride up onto shore to deliver supplies.
LCU-1656 cruised 98 miles overnight Thursday with a failed electrical generator and broken starboard propeller to join up again with the Bataan, their mother ship. After repairs, it was to set out for the shoreline near Gulfport, Miss., Saturday with a 15,000 water tank lashed to vessel's deck, as well as pallets of bottled water.
The role in the relief effort of the sizable medical staff on board the Bataan was not up to the Navy, but to FEMA officials directing the overall effort.
That agency has been criticized sharply for failing to respond quickly enough.
Tyson said the hurricane was an unusual event that has left some painful lessons.
"Can you do things better? Always," Tyson said. "Unfortunately, some of the lessons we have learned during this catastrophe we are learning the hard way. But I think we're working together well to make things happen."
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shedges@tribune.com
I am not going to call anyone names.
The question is LEADERSHIP! Ron read on the show today the briefing from the weather service that Bush was given before the hurricane hit on Sunday, or it was on Democracy Now, I disremember. It was really bad. A leader would have headed back to Washington immediately after hearing it, to make sure he was getting all the most recent and accurate information.
Bush had been on vacation for nearly 5 weeks. What other president has ever gone on vacation five weeks at a time in the first place?? Oh, sure, because of cell phones and everythign else, he is never really "off the job" -- of course he is never really ON the job, either.
But, he should have gone back to Washington immediately, tried to get on top of everything and acted like a concerned leader. Instead he did not seem to care at all. THEN when he went there he made those inane coments about building trent lott a new house. like anyone cared about trent lott having a NEW SECOND home, when they had no home at all and no money. THEN he talked about how much fun he had had partying there.
Look, this man lied us into a disastrous war, which, even if it HAD been necessary, has been handled so badly it has cost even more lives. TWO, his entire agenda has been tax cuts fro the rich, and we have gone from surplusses to eternal deficits, and they are much worse than the numbers show.
Three, he did nothing to prevent 9/11. we still do not have the people responsible for 9/11. the ones he wanted "dead or alive."
Four, real wages have gone down for regular people. more people are without medical care or health insurance. The poverty rate has risen 17% under him. The earth is becoming more polluted with mercury etc., because of his bills "clear skies" etc. that actually roll back clinton's standards. the rich have gotten richer every year for 4 years.
He does not tell the truth about anything. It is all spin. He has destroyed our reputation around the world.
HOW can anyone not see this??
And, how the hell are we going to pay for it all, because in case you haven't noticed, he is NOT a conservative. Government certainly hasn't gotten smaller under him. Katrina is expected to cost $150 billion. minimum. how many contracts do you think halliburton will get out of that? Have you ever heard about "even the hint of impropriety?"
How can anyone continue to carry water for such proven incompetents?
I simply do NOT understand it??!!
What good thing has he done for the people of this country?? Who is better off??
He is also destroying the military. Especially the guard and reserves. They are very close to a meltdown, and that is according to the heads of the guard and reserves.
I will grant he probably did some things that were somewhat advantageous for small businesses, but were a real windfall for huge businesses, like Halliburton.
The man is a fool, and an incompetent. The headline in London Daily Mirror the day after after the election read "How can 59 million people be so dumb?" And Brian Reade wrote a column titled "God Help America" "How bad must one's record be both at home and abroad for you to reject him?" And that was many screwups ago. I will post the entire article if I can find it. I have part of it on my truck.
What do you Bush supporters see in him?? I would really like to know. He has not succeeded at anything on his own in his entire life. He has been a bully and a coward his entire life. He is president because of his father's connections. Same reason he was governor. Other people's money has gotten him everything he has. And when his businesses failed, he got bailed out by daddy's friends who then got tax breaks for doing it.
These are all FACTS!! It isn't "hate bush." i could care less about bush except in his position as president. he has failed us miserably. As hal crowther said, just to spell out his failures makes you sound like a bitter partisan. normally you look for the smoking gun, but with bush you have the cannons of waterloo, you have sevastopol and gettysburg. you have enough gunsmoke to cause asthma in heaven.
is it just that you all cannot admit you were duped that you still support this proven incompetent? what is it you like about him, i would really like to know?? because i think anyone who still supports him is delusional.
Lonna
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