Sunday, August 28, 2005

Time To Reshape The Party

The Democrats really are spineless.

When the war's die-hard cheerleaders attacked the Middle East policy of a mother from Vacaville, Calif., instead of defending the president's policy in Iraq, it was definitive proof that there is little cogent defense left to be made. When the Democrats offered no alternative to either Mr. Bush's policy or Ms. Sheehan's plea for an immediate withdrawal, it was proof that they have no standing in the debate.......Instead, two conservative Republicans - actually talking about Iraq instead of Ms. Sheehan, unlike the rest of their breed - stepped up to fill this enormous vacuum: Chuck Hagel and Henry Kissinger. Both pointedly invoked Vietnam......For his part, Mr. Hagel backed up his assertion that we are bogged down in a new Vietnam with an irrefutable litany of failure: "more dead, more wounded, less electricity in Iraq, less oil being pumped in Iraq, more insurgency attacks, more insurgents coming across the border, more corruption in the government." .......Among Washington's Democrats, the only one with a clue seems to be Russell Feingold, the Wisconsin senator who this month proposed setting a "target date" (as opposed to a deadline) for getting out. Mr. Feingold also made the crucial observation that "the president has presented us with a false choice": either "stay the course" or "cut and run." ......But don't expect any of Mr. Feingold's peers to join him or Mr. Hagel in fashioning an exit strategy that might work...........As another politician from the Vietnam era, Gary Hart, observed last week, the Democrats are too cowardly to admit they made a mistake three years ago, when fear of midterm elections drove them to surrender to the administration's rushed and manipulative Iraq-war sales pitch. So now they are compounding the original error as the same hucksters frantically try to repackage the old damaged goods. IN the new pitch there are no mushroom clouds. Instead we get McCarthyesque rhetoric accusing critics of being soft on the war on terrorism, which the Iraq adventure has itself undermined.......The marketing campaign will crescendo in two weeks, on the anniversary of 9/11, when a Defense Department "Freedom Walk" will trek from the site of the Pentagon attack through Arlington National Cemetery to a country music concert on the Mall. There the false linkage of Iraq to 9/11 will be hammered in once more, this time with a beat: Clint Black will sing "I Raq and Roll," a ditty whose lyrics focus on Saddam, not the Islamic radicals who actually attacked America.

Hillary, Joe Biden, Evan Bayh et al are not the party I want to be a member of. I'll go to Russ Feingolds /Wes Clarks party anyday. Stand up for the grassroots party and screw the Corporate Repub. lite wannabees. They are political chickenhawks that won't even stand up for their own constituency.

61 Comments:

Blogger Dedanna said...

I'd like to know what the hell the difference is between a Dem and Repub anyway.

I've said from the beginning, that there really honestly is no difference, and I still think I'm right.

And I don't think it's "Time To Reshape The Party". I think it's time to reshape politicians and government altogether.

Yes, the Dems are spineless. Name me one thing that they've done to gather up the power to honestly fight the neocons on the level they need to be fought on; they just don't have it, and they don't have the honesty or integrity to; neither do they have the major difference that it would take, nor do they have the ideas much different from any of the other's.

Trouble is, neither does any other party.

So, back to my original statement... time to reshape politicians and government altogether.

2:34 PM, August 28, 2005  
Blogger Dedanna said...

My own answer to everything, btw, is to join the Peace Corps, get the hell out of things I can't support. And, the application process has begun... thank god.

2:45 PM, August 28, 2005  
Blogger Ron said...

My point exactly dedanna and good luck on the Peace Corps. A very worthwhile enterprise.

2:49 PM, August 28, 2005  
Blogger The Game said...

Agree here...this last election was the first one in a long time that I could tell the difference between the two guys running...

Both sides run to the middle right before an election...it sucks..

I think if both sides went a bit more right and left, more people would vote...I know that many people who vote for Republicans only do so because they believe they are better than the crap the dems bring out...and I'm sure it is the same on the other side...

I'm glad you agree that Hilary has already started her sprint from the far left to the middle...but that is the only way she can win...

3:19 PM, August 28, 2005  
Blogger Dedanna said...

Thanks Ron. If I'm in an area where I can't be around, know that I will at the time, wish you always the best of luck.

3:26 PM, August 28, 2005  
Blogger Dedanna said...

Good lord, game, you been in a cocoon way too long, as I've said before.

Hillary, et. al have been doing that for ages.

3:27 PM, August 28, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK, I have to object to this, Ron. If you're gonna do this, you may as well join the Independent or Green Parties instead of being a registered Democrat. The Democrats ARE standing up to the Bush Administration on a lot of things. This is why the votes have been so close. Don't forget that the GOP has the majority esp. in the House.
I know your hero is Russ Feingold and some of your other fans love the Clintons and Dennis Kucinich. I have no objections to the latter, Feingold, or Clark. I saw Clark while he was in Roswell and was very impressed. However, I am a huge John Kerry fan and he is standing up to the GOP and just said that the Democratic Party can NOT become a GOP clone. Kerry has the brains, the education, the global outlook, the experience in D.C., especially, and the respect of world leaders to be president which Bush did NOT have. Kerry DESERVES to be president. He has EARNED it while it was given to Bush. Besides that I think he WON it because I think Bush's people CHEATED BOTH times! (As you see, as Kerry's biggest fan (in Roswell), I will fight even liberals to defend him-smile face.)
Also, I have noticed that you keep mentioning Teresa Kerry when you talk about rich people, taxes, etc. Uh, there may be a difference between rich LIBERALS and rich conservatives, whether they are Democrats, Republicans, etc. Teresa Kerry spends her life traveling and working for her CHARITABLE foundations. Like Oprah, Bill Cosby, Bill Gates, George Soros, etc. Teresa is a wealthy person who really cares about making the world a better place. IF Cheney donates to charity it's probably to get the tax deductions or to make himself look good, not because he has an altruistic nature. With guys like him, the best part about having money is using it to make even more money because no amount will ever be enough for them.

4:05 PM, August 28, 2005  
Blogger Ron said...

"If you're gonna do this, you may as well join the Independent or Green Parties instead of being a registered Democrat."

Actually dear I have said many times I am more of a Populist/Libertarian. I also would like to be a Green...IF I thought they could win an election. If the Dems get closer to the Repubs I may. I want to defeat the neo cons but it does no good to vote for someone who won't challenge them! Your statement reminds me of the "my country right or wrong/ you are unamerican." I believe in the traditional goals of the Democratic Party and have voted for, worked for and supported them in every election of my life. I don't think you can say I am a traitor. I want to SAVE the party. If you want to sit by and watch it go down the tubes get ready for a fight!

5:17 PM, August 28, 2005  
Blogger The Game said...

crazy anonymous person:
Bush won the last election...and your opinion doesn't mean anymore than the millions who voted for Bush, so Kerry lost and you have to live with it...as long as you don't understand why he lost, you will continue to lose for a long time...Ron is either right on the money, or exactly wrong...not sure which he is yet.

I'll explain if you don't get that, but I have to go for now.

5:31 PM, August 28, 2005  
Blogger BeWitchingWizard said...

Mr. Game how do you win all 3 Presidential Debates and come to a draw at least in the Vice Pres. Debate and then lose the Election??? Answer: you strategicly Figure where the final battle will be fought ie Florida and Ohio and with corrupted cronies in power you CHEAT!! History will show as it already does that Bush cheated in Both elections, and no amount of rewritten history books by Lynn Cheney will ever change those facts. For the Truth always wins out, something you are in gross shortage of. A change in the balloting system and Honest Tabulations will prove you among the Cheaters Who wish to do nothing but mislead the American People. This is not a conspiracy theory this is America speaking WAKE UP You Butt Kissing Bush Lover. The Maniac

6:26 PM, August 28, 2005  
Blogger BeWitchingWizard said...

And Now to all of you 9/11 was planned by the Bush regime probabley as far back as 1993 , Those towers were emploded after planes with bombs attached did not take down the Towers, and bldg 7 the command center went after , No Plane hit the pentagon it was a drone and where are the planes and the people HaHa wake up people have been expendable forever they were taken to a specific place and killed , . Oh you say our Government would never kill people innocent people well whats Iraq and Afganistan , and Im not only talking about our Soldiers innocent Iraqies that have nothing to do with Bin Ladin an American Agent and butt Fucking Buddies with the Neo Cons, This country is going to Hell and all who listen and believe lies Like the govt tells are going as well.
Linda Maniac PS Prove me wrong I dare you!

6:34 PM, August 28, 2005  
Blogger Dedanna said...

Um, don't put me in that "you all" block. I am extremely anti-neocon myself, and know all of which you say, Maniac; as a matter of fact, I've done a lot of studying and research that says the same, and have posted here about it. Just because I see the Dems as going down the toilet and very similar to the neocons (if not the same pot themselves), doesn't mean I support the neocons, because I don't.

Please, don't lump people into the same coal (as I am definitely not one of the "you alls"), or take what they say out of context.

Thanks.

8:52 PM, August 28, 2005  
Blogger Jim said...

Kerry is bright, curious, intellectual and immeasurably more qualified on every level than the victor. But Kerry lost because his campaign was so lame that he could not build a big enough lead to overcome, uh, let's just call it "the unexpected."

As he reportedly said during his campaign, "I can't believe I'm losing to this [idiot, moron, I can't remember which]."

And this is a key point that I'd like to make. No election result will ever be trusted by a very large segment of the population (and the world) unless the pre-election and exit polling show margins that are so big, that any reversal in the outcome is impossible to achieve without blatant cheating. Or until the control of the elections in every facit including the tally is completely out of the hands of those with a vested interest in the outcome.

9:12 PM, August 28, 2005  
Blogger Dedanna said...

and your opinion doesn't mean anymore than the millions who voted for Bush, so Kerry lost and you have to live with it...as long as you don't understand why he lost,

Um, I do believe the question, as we've pointed out to you, game, is as to whether those millions actually voted for the neocon of the century...

9:24 PM, August 28, 2005  
Blogger The Game said...

wow, is this guy a complete idiot...

you are as far left as they go, so that means you are a complete crazy. I didn't think there were any of your kind left, I thought you were extinct. Keep talking, with people on the left like this idiot, you guys will never win an election again.

9:44 PM, August 28, 2005  
Blogger Ron said...

Jim,Kudos, right on the money. I have said as much on my show many times. We need a HUGE victory to overcome the cheating.

10:46 PM, August 28, 2005  
Blogger The Game said...

ron,
are you out of your mind...
even the liberal paper in Milwaukee has documented a great deal of voter fraud in Milwaukee county...republicans showed how the Dems were doing it BEFORE the election...then two Dems. slashed the tired of Republican vans on the day of the election...that is just one city...and these are FACTS..

Unlike the crap I see where Dems have "stories" and "theories" on how Republicans cheat.

11:08 PM, August 28, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All you people are nuts we have opinions as well . And Jesus was a Liberal Killed by his peers.
Love
The Beatles

11:08 PM, August 28, 2005  
Blogger The Game said...

can one of you tell me why Democrats all over the country are agains voter ID bills:

your lame answer:
Because minorities and old people don't have them, and it should be easier to vote than to rent a video at Blockbuster....and what you are really saying is that old people and minorities are too stupid and irresponsible to get an ID.

Correct answer:
Dems benefit from voter fraud, so they want to make sure it continues.

11:14 PM, August 28, 2005  
Blogger Ron said...

Game! Dude! You'll get no repeat N-O traction with that bull hockey here. So wadda ya think guys and gals?

12:10 AM, August 29, 2005  
Blogger Dedanna said...

Well, let's just say that I'm beginning to wonder if I was kidding when I said that the game is less than human...

7:36 AM, August 29, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree, Ron. Glad to see you are still in there punching them as they so richly deserve. I bought a few purple bracelets from True Majority that say "Never Surrender" and my kids and friends and I wear them all the time. The Democracts have abandoned us along with their integrity. We do not owe them our allegiance and we should definitely look elsewhere for our leaders as you propose.

9:42 AM, August 29, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is a given there is some cheating by zealots of both sides during any election. However, the Republican cheating was much more subtle than slashing the tires of vans that would take people to vote. Not long ago there was a case involving someone who had jammed the phones of a Democratic headquarters where they were calling Democrats to ask if they had voted, and to offer to take them to the polls.

I have a veteran who writes to me from Ohio. He says all the information on voter fraud has been available for months in the Conyer's report. However, most "reports" are long, and too technical to be easy to read. So, I am once again using another article.

We do know that Republicans were tearing up Democratic registrations in a number of states, that people in Democratci precincts had to wait many hours to vote because the machines were disproportionately placed in Republican precincts. Doubtless many of them went home. Would you stand 8 hours in line to vote?? Particularly if you were old and infirm? We do know that letters were sent to Democrats telling them because of huge voter turnout, THEY were suppossed to vote on Wednesday.

We do know that in 2004 in Ohio In Cuyahoga County, Ohio, the number of recorded votes was more than 93,000 greater than the number of registered voters.

BUT, again below are more of the major points from the most recent article on voter fraud.
Latest article on voter fraud:
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0813-29.htm

this is part of the article. to read it all, go to the link above

In the fall of 2001, after an eight-month review of 175,000 Florida ballots never counted in the 2000 election, an analysis by the National Opinion Research Center confirmed that Al Gore actually won Florida and should have been President. However, coverage of this report was only a small blip in the corporate media as a much bigger story dominated the news after September 11, 2001.

New research compiled by Dr. Dennis Loo with the University of Cal Poly Pomona now shows that extensive manipulation of non-paper-trail voting machines occurred in several states during the 2004 election.

The facts are as follows:

In 2004 Bush far exceeded the 85% of registered Florida Republican votes that he got in 2000, receiving more than 100% of the registered Republican votes in 47 out of 67 Florida counties, 200% of registered Republicans in 15 counties, and over 300% of registered Republicans in 4 counties. Bush managed these remarkable outcomes despite the fact that his share of the crossover votes by registered Democrats in Florida did not increase over 2000, and he lost ground among registered Independents, dropping 15 points. We also know that Bush "won" Ohio by 51-48%, but statewide results were not matched by the court-supervised hand count of the 147,400 absentee and provisional ballots in which Kerry received 54.46% of the vote. In Cuyahoga County, Ohio the number of recorded votes was more than 93,000 greater than the number of registered voters.

More importantly national exit polls showed Kerry winning in 2004. However, It was only in precincts where there were no paper trails on the voting machines that the exit polls ended up being different from the final count. According to Dr. Steve Freeman, a statistician at the University of Pennsylvania, the odds are 250 million to one that the exit polls were wrong by chance. In fact, where the exit polls disagreed with the computerized outcomes the results always favored Bush - another statistical impossibility. .

Dennis Loo writes, "A team at the University of California at Berkeley, headed by sociology professor Michael Hout, found a highly suspicious pattern in which Bush received 260,000 more votes in those Florida precincts that used electronic voting machines than past voting patterns would indicate compared to those precincts that used optical scan read votes where past voting patterns held...."

I am sure that "black box voting" has the most complete information on all of this. And there is evidence the 2002 election was tampered with as well. Max Cleland was expected to win. Paul Wellstone was also expected to win. He conveniently died.

A conservative demonstrates how to manipulate votes. We know conservative supporters of Bush were in charge of the Diebold and other machines and their programs. We also, on this blog, have the "hearsay" evidence that an employee of Diebold told people they did not need to bother to vote for Kerry, because it would not matter. The election was fixed for Bush.

I would go into more detail and may. But, it will matter little. Bush supporters are delusional.

It is now estimated that the final tally of this Iraq War may be 1.3 trillion dollars. Or some over $11,000 per household.

The people who voted for Bush both times should pay double. But Bush has cut taxes. And his supporters think this is a good idea. They say the economy is doing well because of it.

Economies always do better doing war. But it is "borrowed" money. There is a lot of money to be made in the killing and destroying and rebuilding business.

Ike is my hero. He would have been oppossed to Bush in virtually all of his policies. Anyone who supports Bush and his policies is so delusional they should be taken to a mental institution. In the long run, NOONE except the greedy millionaires and billionaires will gain from his presidency. The last I read, the share of the debt he is running up is something like $135,000 per person. And yet he continues his "what, me worry?" mentality.

The people must rise up. These people must be impeached and imprisoned for the damage they have done to this country, its' people, and to the world!

11:36 AM, August 29, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think the Democrats are getting kind of a raw deal. In the first place, we see more sides to an issue than the Republicans do. As Jeff Bingaman described it, IF it works as they hope it will, the bankruptcy bill might not be ALL bad.

In the second place, the Republican Party in power now is such a bunch of bullies they even make members of their own party who want to vote against them actually cry and vote with them! They bully, bribe, and threaten to get what they want. AND, you know what happens to anyone who goes against this administration, or who even dares tell the truth about it!!

They won't let the Democrats be part of hearings, they won't let them have rooms to meet in. The Democrats cannot win a single vote unless they get some Republicans to go along with them.

There is no good solution to the problem of Iraq now. But some sincerely believe the "broken china" analogy. We OWE the Iraqi people that we fix the mess we created. PERHAPS in the beginning and adequate number of troops may have done that. But now, they cannot get that number of troops unless they bring back the draft.

The left has been moving to the right for a long time. The right has been moving further right. Goldwater, who was considered too far right to be electable, would now be a liberal Republican.

There are Democrats standing against Bush. And, even some Republicans. But, we are living under a dictatorship right now. Clinton compromised with the Republicans. And compromise is how we make the government work. BUSH and DELAY will compromise with noone. They are bullies and they are ignorant. They have no concern for the well-being of the country. Only with their rigid, destructive agendas.

11:46 AM, August 29, 2005  
Blogger BeWitchingWizard said...

G A M E - A few facts for you, since you think I am a complete idiot (Like I really care about someone as stupid as you) If you think your 36% approval rating (And its not at its lowest yet) Shows that you are not in the majority but I am and your just running scared and as usual all you can do is call me names. And at 36% it makes me in the majority so suck on an egg if you can squeeze one out - and if you think you can overcome this low rating guess again cause by the time we have another 3 years of this loser, it should be about 1% of course thats allowing that you don't wake up first.

12:40 PM, August 29, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

# 1
Ron, I didn't say you were a traitor. However, you are being too hard on the Democrats who may need a kick in the derrier from time to time, but are basically the working person's party. As a populist, you should be for the working people/poor not the rich corporations. (NO wonder you refuse to play "Lives in the Balance" on the show-maybe you're all talk.) It seems to me that the Libertarians are what the Republicans were before the religious fanatics and the giant corporations took over. So, if you are a Libertarian, you are really a REPUBLICAN! Good to know that, I guess. Also, John Edwards, John Kerry, Barbara Boxer, etc. are all supporting Cindy Sheehan.
#2 To the Game-
The exit polls showed that Kerry was winning big. I have a friend who was Mormon until they chose to support Bush in his ill-conceieved war, etc. Someone in Utah, who knows her and her daughter told the latter to tell her not to bother to work for Kerry's election or to even bother to vote because the election results had all been taken care of. It was a done deal. This individual works for guess who? Diebold!!! It is a Mormon based company and Bush is who the Mormons are supporting. The other voting machine company in the U.S.A. is owned by the brother of the owner of Diebold. Guess, he is Mormon, too. Oh, great, let's let the Osmond Family and, also, all those people who believe in polygamy pick all our Presidents. Guess, our forefathers weren't thinking ahead when they didn't add that to The Constitution. Besides the rigged machines, add in that there weren't enough of them and the refusal to allow thousands of registered voters to vote in Fla. and Ohio which is disenfranchisement and is ILLEGAL!!! Then add in Karl Rove's slimy attacks on Kerry and Edwards instead of focusing on the ISSUES!!!
As far as I'm concerned, Al Gore was elected in 2000 and John Kerry who DESERVES to be President is MY President (unlike Bush who should've gotten a dishonorable discharge and gone to prison for insider trading (except his dad was President at the time)).
All you so called "Christians" make me sick. Since when is it Christian to CHEAT!!!

1:50 PM, August 29, 2005  
Blogger BeWitchingWizard said...

Good Show Anonymous and Well Said

3:30 PM, August 29, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

note to dems if you want t o win an election grab onto the closing borders issue as hard as you can...even I will vote for a dem if they truly show responsibilty in protecting the borders...and Ron Bush ahd better grades than Kerry did at Yale, while Bush fumbles for words at times, kerry sounds like a stuffed shirt with no charisma.


Mark

5:02 PM, August 29, 2005  
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Blogger The Game said...

This is off topic, but since most of you can't stay on topic anyway..
here are some quotes from a conservative that went to the Sheehan protest and pretended to be a liberal:

From satellite trucks and cell phones to wireless computer access, every modern convenience to enhance the “message” was found in this remote part of Texas. It was all there for the gathered left-wing, socialist and self-described marxist media representatives.

Most of Sheehan's protesters were either professional, working for Fenton Communications, Code Pink, or other groups. Many were longtime protesters, with radical activism dating to 1965, or earlier.

But when political topics did arise, no matter what the issue, they all responded the same way: it's America's fault.

One issue: peasant unrest in rural China, with the brutality shown by the government and their hired thugs. Their response: that America has mistreated its black citizens, or that gays are beaten here everyday.

So the hate America” crowd really does exist, intellectually bulimic, having ingested all of this bile. As a show of steadfastness to their peace-and-love cause, they looked forward to regurgitating it.

During one conversation with Sheehan, I asked how much time she would actually be spending on the bus tour to Washington. I discovered she would be on it for just two days and away speechmaking during the rest of the time. I wondered if they were paid engagements.

She is relentless, professional, well-financed and always on message: all bad things are America's fault.

That is the message many of you love to give...

and BeWitchingWizard:
isn't that sad for you that a person with such a low approval rating still got 5 million more votes than your best guy....ha ha ha...

6:01 PM, August 29, 2005  
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Blogger Ron said...

Yes Miss D the Democrats are at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to legislation. No doubt about it. They can still stand up and fight. Some are. John Edwards is the quintesential populist. Barbara Boxer has more cahones than most of the men in Washington. I agree with Kerry on most issues., Unfortunately he was not forceful enough and ran a vote for me default campaign. Russ Feingold, Wes Clark, Dick Durbin, Ted Kennedy, Charles Rangle, John Conyers and notably Howard Dean. We need a party full of Howard Deans that will tell it like it is, fight in all 50 states and SHOUT IT FROM THE ROOF TOPS. These are the TRUE Democrats in my book. Unfortunately there are way too many, especially in the house that vote for the bankrupcy bill, the corporate inspired medicade program, tax cuts for oil companies making record profits, and shirk from bold decisions on the war and the fight on terror and as mark said, the border problem. If I am a populist for the working people why should I vote for these guys? I am a populist and for the working people. I think there is nothing in my position that would indicate otherwise. Yes the Libertarian party is basically the republicans of old. I also think the Greens are the Dems before the corporations or repub lite got ahold of them. I disagree with the Libertarians on much. I do agree to the point that I am pro choice on everything. I don't believe in government interference in peoples personal lives and I think that while some regulation is necessary and good, too much can ruin profitabilty and make an expensive mountain of paperwork for businesses, especially small ones that can least afford it. That is why I say I have a touch of libertarian.

8:26 PM, August 29, 2005  
Blogger Ron said...

Do you have an arguement with this?

http://www.greenparty.org/values.php

8:36 PM, August 29, 2005  
Blogger The Game said...

I hope to GOD that the dems turn into a bunch of Howard Deans...please spread this message.

9:13 PM, August 29, 2005  
Blogger Ron said...

I'm trying game! While I'm at it could you have the repugs turn into a bunch of tom delays..or maybe ken mehlmans?

9:21 PM, August 29, 2005  
Blogger BeWitchingWizard said...

G A M E - you really earn your nickname Lame Game, it was not 5 million it was supposed to be 3 million but thats only if you believe in what the cheaters say. He fixed it, and it really would be better for all if you just stuck your head back up your butt, 36% and lower soon will prove you and your loser of a leader and his high gas prices should be stuck up your butt also. The Maniac

9:26 PM, August 29, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The War Profiteers

Dick Cheney:

Cheney’s 2000 income from Halliburton: $36,086,635.

Number of Halliburton stock options Cheney still owns: 433,333.

Size of his retirement package (not including the stock options): $20 million

Increase in government contracts while Cheney led Halliburton: 91%.

Minimum size of “accounting irregularities” occurring while Cheney was CEO: $234 million.

Number of the seven official U.S. “state sponsors of terror” that Halliburton [illegally] contracted with: three out of seven (Iran, Iraq, Libya)

Pages of Energy Plan documents Cheney refused to give congressional investigators: 13,500. Amount the energy sector gave to Republican candidates for 2000 elections: $50 million.

Number of energy corporations identified that helped Cheney’s Energy Task Force shape national energy policy: 30

Halliburton is the single largest corporate beneficiary of the Iraq War.

Now Pentagon official Bunnatine Greenhouse who served as the chief overseer of contracts for the Army Corps of Engineers since 1998has been demoted for criticizing Halliburton’s [KBR’s] no bid contracts. She said "I can unequivocally state that the abuse related to contracts awarded to KBR represents the most blatant and improper abuse I have witnessed."

The Bush family: The Carlyle Group. Bush, Sr. was senior advisor to the Carlyle Group until late 2003 during which time it went from being 43rd among defense contractors to 11th. Carlyle’s CEO said “It’s the best 18 months we’ve ever had.”

Uncle Bucky Bush has made a killing at Engineered Support Systems. The Bush brothers have also benefited.

Who thinks this is ethical???

General Smedley Butler said it best 70 years ago:

“War is a racket, fought by the many to benefit the very few…of course it’s not put that crudely in war time, it is dressed into speeches about patriotism and love of country and putting one's shoulder to the wheel, but the profits jump and leap and skyrocket and are safely pocketed…War time profits, the sky’s the limit, Uncle Sam’s got the money, let’s go get it.”

Before WWII, Harry Truman formed a commission to fight war profiteering which had been rampant in WWI. This administration has seen to it there is no oversight. They have basically outlawed any kind of accountability for money designated for war and rebuilding.

9:34 PM, August 29, 2005  
Blogger The Game said...

Ron,
as of right now I don't see anyone that I would vote for on the right at this time...dems here is your chance...but throw out a Dean, or Feingold or Clinton..and I'll vote for a monkey with a rep shirt on first.

11:36 AM, August 30, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Ron:
Oh, bite me, "Charlie"! Well, on second thought don't! Save that for
Britney and Jessica, two dumb blondes who voted for Bush.
I don't disagree with much of what you said. However, Kerry did have to be careful of what he said to get the swing voters and he DID win which you have said yourself. I, also, wish most of the Dems would speak out against the war, but look at what happens at anyone who does when that j*^#$^#s Karl Rove and the unliberal media gets going on them. They need to get re-elected to keep the vote even close and that's going to be a problem when their patriotism is called into question. The votes on a lot of things have been close and you know it. As one of your callers said today, the so-called liberal media doesn't talk about what Kerry, Boxer, Edwards, etc. are TRYING to do, does it?
A libertarian is a republican who doesn't want the government interfering with his/her personal life or business. Maybe you can call yourself a liberal libertarian. But in the meantime, don't go preaching to us about "name calling" if you're going to label ALL democratic representatives "spineless" (except for your own personal hero, Feingold). As the Osmonds sang, "One bad apple don't spoil the whole bunch...", but I guess you never heard that song cuz you were too busy listening to Ted Nugent, another republican who voted for Bush. Well, maybe it's true that the "bad apple" doesn't fall far from the tree.--
DEMocat

2:02 PM, August 30, 2005  
Blogger Ron said...

Miss D. It appears we disagree. :-)

5:56 PM, August 30, 2005  
Blogger Dedanna said...

Wait, which Miss D are you referring to?

I still stand by my statement(s) here, for more reasons than one.

7:34 PM, August 30, 2005  
Blogger Ron said...

Game, keep that monkey handy. Anyone you would support would be just the kind of people I am saying should NOT be leaders of the party. A repub lite etc. The thing about Howard Dean is that he is for the people, he will stand up and speak the truth and he is not afraid to take an unpopular position. I voted for Wes Clark in the primary but my respect for Dean rises every day he talks about a 50 state strategy and every time he rips into the Repugs.He's a fighter and that is what the Democrats need sorely right now. Remember the angry white male movement in your party? It's our turn for a little anger now.

8:07 PM, August 30, 2005  
Blogger Ron said...

Not you dedanna, democat..I agree with most of what you say dedanna, you know that!:-)

8:09 PM, August 30, 2005  
Blogger Ron said...

Democat..funny you should say that. The boss calls me a liberal libertarian...I have not..if you bothered to read my reply...said ALL democrats are spineless. I noted a number of examples of people in the party I could proudly get behind. You have a really bad mad on don't you. You know thats not good for your health or for your serenity.

8:14 PM, August 30, 2005  
Blogger Dedanna said...

@ell, you don't have to agree with even /most/ of what I say.

Remember, back in the day when we worked together, there were things we didn't agree with then. lol.

OTT question: You been getting my emails?

1:07 AM, August 31, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Goshamighty gee whiz, Ron!!
I wonder why I would have a mad on when you invaded my best friend's privacy on air and basically treated both of my best friends badly, in MY opinion(this is not just MY opinion). Linda and Maniac have been very loyal to you. Where's the on-air apology? Are you too full of yourself, Leo the Lion, King of Beasts, Big time DJ.
You are implying that MOST Democrats are spineless-not true. The GOP has control not us! Besides that, I will defend John Kerry who is MY political idol and as I've said, I still have all my claws. Meow!!!
As for serenity, I hope I have the serenity to know what I can't change (The Game's mind), the courage to change what I can (why I'm so politically active), and the wisdom to know the difference (so I'll stop trying to convert YOU to a LOYAL democrat.) It's bad enough that the other side is ripping us apart without attacking each other.

1:04 PM, August 31, 2005  
Blogger Dedanna said...

Maybe that's what it takes, is a little standing up and fighting the head of our own, to get our own together.

Am I making sense?

Loyal Dem or not, you must know that there are some serious changes that need to be made in the Democratic party.

John Kerry? Yeah, he's a good guy, had some basic good ideas, but in the end, he rolled over and played dead. He didn't fight 'til the end, like he said he would.

Can you name anyone who would/will? I sure don't see anyone.

This is what needs to change in the Democratic party.

7:37 PM, August 31, 2005  
Blogger Dedanna said...

BTW: Wanting to effect change in something that isn't working as it should is not being disloyal.

To me, it's the greatest sign of loyalty that there is.

Hanging in there regardless, and wanting to make what there is better, people, is not being disloyal to it!

To think it is, is to do the same thing the Repugs are doing; saying that "if you say you're against even an aspect of it, you're an unpatriotic American, and disloyal".

Sorry, that's not for me.

7:41 PM, August 31, 2005  
Blogger Ron said...

Thank you for making that point Dedanna. As some of my friends always say. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. There is a reason that the repugs are in control and it's certainly not ALL about what they are doing right. It has something to do with what the loyal opposition is doing wrong.

Miss democat. not only am I the King of beasts, big time DJ but also the nicest man on the planet, the absolute best father,son and brother, generally acknowledged as the most brilliant human on the planet, most expert handy man, best driver, and scientifically proven to be the most capable person on the planet all around. I would hope you would not forget these other things in your haste to praise me next time.:-)

7:55 PM, August 31, 2005  
Blogger Dedanna said...

Problem is, Ron, is sometimes people have to grow within their own journey/quest as well.

Takes time.

Let them grow. It's not a change we can effect in them; it's only one we can hope they will do within themselves.

Time, experience. It's what it takes. :-)

10:12 PM, August 31, 2005  
Blogger Ron said...

Right Dedanna, at least that's the way it works for me.

11:27 PM, August 31, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ron and JD sitting in a tree
D I S S I N G.
First came Dems.
Then came Libs.
Will they next quote
Limbaugh's FIBS?
Constructive criticism is one thing, Ron, but you don't diss your own party and not expect to hear about it. Besides, that's Rush Limbaugh's job not yours. (SMILE)---LOYAL Democrat

1:27 PM, September 01, 2005  
Blogger Dedanna said...

There's that "if you're not /totally/ with us, you're against us" attitude again...

Everyone, and everything, party or not, deserves dissing when it's not doing as it should!! Elsewise, how can it get fixed?????

Geez, get out of that mindset! If you screw up something, do you not tell yourself that you did? Or are you perfect?

1:35 PM, September 01, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, of course I tell myself when I screw up, and then I can't ever let myself forget it. Yes, the Democrats have made mistakes. Even Kerry has feet of clay and so did JFK, Jimmy Carter, and Bill Clinton. Maybe it's the word "spineless" which I have used to describe the otherwise decent Republicans like Domenici who refuse to stand up to PNAC and Delay that set me off. We have enough problems with the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, etc. dissing our leaders without doing it ourselves. That's how the GOP gets us-when we fight among ourselves.--DemoCat

2:42 PM, September 01, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not if the problems are called to the Dem's attention, that they need to straighten up.

By this alone, maybe they will get up off it and frikkin' DO SOMETHING.

7:09 PM, September 01, 2005  

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