Bring In The Water Truck, We Need More Mud
Senator Hagel faces the reality based world. No doubt he will soon see the slime machine. Funny how the majority who have been to war don't like this war and those that haven't think its "noble".
My sentiments on this are accurately reflected by others in the comments below the story:
Chuck Hagel is by far the most realistic and truthful Republican out there, and that includes John McCain, who was "swiftboated" himself by the slimy Bush political machine led by Rove and company in the 2000 primaries. Russ Feingold, a Democrat from Wisconsin, also showed some guts by breaking from the ranks of "scared" deems, by actually putting a time line on withdrawal from Iraq. By the way, Feingold voted against the war from the beginning. I only hope that more Senators will follow suit and finally show some guts and conviction about the proper course of action in Iraq.
American badly needs a progressive new political party. Russ Feingold and Barack Obama would make a good presidential ticket. The Democratic Party is led by people who are scared to death to put principle ahead of their own re-election prospects.Time for a change or the Republicans will run the government indefinitely.
Actually I'd like to see Wesley Clark as VP..my choice in the past election.
As those of you that listen to the radio show know Russ is my choice for president and has been since the election(surely the kiss of death for the neocons who come here:-). He was on Meet The Press. What he said here. Russ pointed out the civil rights violations in the so called patriot act BEFORE the vote and was the only senator with the balls to vote against it. Yep, he actually READ it . He gives back the Senate pay raise to the treasury. He was one of 23 who voted against the war and stands with the average man and woman..You da man Russ!
posted by Ron at 8:16 PM
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Russ is from my state, so I can drill him all day..but that will come in due time...
I would like to see a poll or some factual basis for the comment
"majority who have been to war don't like this war"
I'll do a little digging to find one...but I'm on vacation and I am going out soon
I hope everyone got to see "Dead Wrong" on CNN tonight. A report on the intelligence leading up to the war. Showed how much the administration wanted to go to war and how they pressured the CIA and people like Colin Powell to make a case for war whether there was good intelligence or not.
It was pretty tame, but it was a start for the "liberal media." They did not, for instance, have either Karen Kwiatkowski or Ray McGovern as part of it.
For "the game:" 1000 high ranking military people and veterans signed a letter to the president before the war telling him going to war with Iraq would be a mistake. Among them, the late great Col. David Hackworth, Mideast General Anthony Zinni, etc. The "liberal" media never mentioned it.
All the military people I know detest Bush, and these are people from WWII, Korea, and Vietnam.
Gen. Zinni actually said before the war: “It’s pretty interesting that all the generals see it the same way, and all the others who have never fired a shot, and are hot to go to war, see it another…We are about to do something that will ignite a fuse in this region that we will rue the day we ever started…”
Marine General Anthony Zinni
Former Head of Central Command for U.S. Forces in the Middle East,
Also, Clinton ordered two submarines to watch over Bin Laden, when Bush came in Bush ordered them to stand down. That is from two stories in the Washington Post, I believe. His administration also told the FBI to "back off" the Bin Laden family.
12 Nobel prize winning economists slammed Bush's policies and endorsed Kerry. Countless numbers of diplomats, military leaders and scientists endorsed Kerry. So many military leaders coming out against the incumbent president is pretty much unprecedented. Many of them who did, including Zinni and McPeak, supported him in 2000. Probably because Clinton had cut military spending. HOWEVER, when Cheney was Sec. of Defense, he cut defense spending and bitched at the Democratic controlled congress because they would not let him cut it more. Zinni said he would last about 5 minutes in this administration because, he said, he would tell the truth, and they don't want to hear the truth.
It was only after Cheney started sending money Halliburton's way that he wanted to up spending. AND, of course, Halliburton has been the largest single beneficiary of the Iraq War.
As for Clinton: The first terrorist attack happened when he had been in office 37 days. He, and the Democrats did not blame Bush,I for that. And those terrorists are in jail. He averted the 2000 attacks planned for LAX. The Republicans tried to thwart everything he tried to do. They put a special prosecutor in and left him there for nothing. NOW we can't have special prosecutors any more, more is the pity. Bush hasn't even gotten the man he said he wanted "dead or alive."
Jan. 21, 2001, Richard Clarke sent a memo to Condi Rice saying "We urgently need a principals level meeting on Al Qaeda. It is not just some little terrorist group." Condi and her boss did nothing. There is a good article about what Clinton did, but I am not going to look it up to link it here. Perhaps Osama is dead, but we don't know it because he is a good "boogey man" to bring out to scare people when Bush's ratings need a boost.
What I have included below was written about Clinton in "Bunkers for all Occassions." It is so true!!
Republican National Committee Chairman Mark Racicot revealed today that the GOP is holding former President Bill Clinton at a secure facility "outside Washington or New York" in case of a devastating attack on those cities. "America will need a scapegoat in case of disaster," said Racicot. "The Republican Party, for the good of the American people, wants to make sure that blaming, conspiracy-theory mongering, and ad hominem attacks can continue uninterrupted. Without President Clinton to attack, Americans will be confused and demoralized. His safety must be our No. 1 priority."
From “Bunkers for all Occassions,” by David Plotz in Chatterbox, March 2002
This is the link to "Two Days at Camp Casey."
http://oldamericancentury.org/lonna_006.htm
John, a Korean War veteran who called into the show and was so knowledgeable on Thursday (I think) went to Camp Casey this last weekend, and promised me he would call in about it, but not on Monday.
This is a link to a really good article "The Swift Boating of Cindy Sheehan." http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/21/opinion/21rich.htmlThere was another good story in the Waco? paper by a college student who had gone out and met Cindy.
I was sure as the loyal opposition you wouldn't like Russ there game.
Actually what I ment was a majority in congress but I have no factual basis for that. McCain, Kerry , Hagel..all vietnam vets have expressed disdain in one way or another and I am sure I have seen a number of other legislators, especially those from Vietnam say similar things.....You are on vacation? school just got started here.
Anonymous..We in Roswell of course know who each other are, for the most part. Anyway, thanks for the backup. One thing though. Our conservative friend has stated he has a bit of an A.D.D. problem so he may not get the long ones very well. I wish there was a way he could listen to our radio show!...Dead Wrong was interesting but just repeated what most already knew. It's good to see someone say it out loud though. I am sure that it will be discounted as more ramblings of the "liberal media".
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, Aug. 20, 2005 – The rebuilding effort continues in Iraq, and coalition military officials here today provided a summary of the past week's progress.
Children in a village of Tamim province received school supplies, clothing and toys from the Nahrain Foundation, a nongovernmental organization that focuses on providing proper nutrition, decent clothing and medical supplies to Iraqi women and children. The foundation received its supplies as part of a joint effort between American donations and a coalition forces-run program known as "Operation Provide School Supplies," which accepts donations from private citizens and corporations in the United States.
More than 600 children will return to renovated or rebuilt schools in Maysan province. This week, renovation on the Al-Eethnar Mud School was completed, and the Al Eethar Mud School was replaced at a cost of $87,000, benefiting 500 students who attend classes there. Eight newly built schools in Wassit and Babil provinces are receiving new furniture.
About 2 million people will benefit from the Baghdad trunk sewer line, which was completed this week. Workers cleaned and repaired the Baghdad trunk sewer line and its associated manholes and pumping stations. The $17.48 million project restored principal sewage collection elements in the Adhamiya, Sadr City and Nissan districts of Baghdad.
Construction is complete on phase one of the $865,000 Basrah courthouse project. The main courthouse, expected to hold a number of high profile trials, continues to operate during construction. Iraqi subcontractors are working on the project, and employing an average of 70 local Iraqi workers daily.
A patrol station in the Karkh district of Baghdad province was completed, as was a $390,300 border-post project on the Saudi Arabian border. A division headquarters building for the Iraqi Army in Salah Ad Din province was also completed this week.
In another move that officials said highlights the increasing turnover of security responsibilities to Iraqi forces, generals from Iraqi and coalition forces joined local tribal leaders at a ceremony where Forward Operating Base Dagger in Tikrit, one of Saddam Hussein's former palaces, was officially handed over to the 4th Iraqi Army Division this week.
In Taji, Iraqi soldiers completed a Strategic Infrastructure Battalion "train-the-trainer" course. The 90 graduates will go on to serve as instructors at an Iraqi Army training base. A class of future Iraqi army noncommissioned officers graduated from their primary leadership development course on Aug. 15 in Tikrit. Iraqi army unit training also included combat lifesaving, staff training, computer skills and weapons training.
Baghdad police continued to demonstrate their capabilities this week. Iraqi Police Service officers in the New Baghdad district conducted a variety of operations, including raids involving over 450 officers. Police confiscated 30 AK-47 rifles, two hand guns and a machine gun during the raids.
Based on two separate tips from Iraqis, coalition forces discovered weapons caches that contained rocket-propelled grenades and two launchers, 16 mortar rounds and a launcher, and five boxes of anti-aircraft ammunition hidden in northwest Baghdad.
Another tip led coalition forces to a large cache of artillery shells in the early hours of Aug. 16. The shells apparently were intended for use as improvised explosive devices. The 25 to 30 individual rounds, located inside a building within Anbar province, were destroyed after security forces confirmed there was no one in the building.
Yup, what a terrible and non-noble cause. Here we are spending money on schools and wastewater treatment, establishing a base for the turnover of power, and generally helping the people of Iraq.
You're right though. If you only listen to the liberal news you would think the only thing going on in Iraq is death. If only we had access to the good and noble works being completed by the coalition, kind of like the post above.
By the way, that is ONE WEEK of progress, there have been over 60+ of the same since Saddam was removed.
nice post average Joe I agree with you
mark
I always thought the right was upset we spent so much on "foreign aid"? Is it ok now?
The average joe painted such a pretty picture in Iraq. That is easy to do if you forget people are being killed there every day. Why is joe still stateside? Does he want us to believe he wants to go to Iraq and kill people? Who loves this war more? The game or joe? What will they sacrifice for it? Is Mark of Military age?
Let's see Donkey, let's turn to your liberal propaganda for answers.
It doesn't matter that civilian deaths in the Iraqi war are being caused by its own people. We're there, so it is obviously the work of the evil occupiers. Do you think there would still be civilian deaths if we weren't there and the people were drafting a constitution? Damn right there would be. No theocratic, dictatorial country in the Middle East wants to see this happen. They are willing to kill anyone to stop the constitutional process, but let's imagine things like you do -- a bunch of U.S. soldiers marching down the street shooting whomever they please. Let's not believe the pictures of small children running up and asking for candy. Or the building projects being completed with Iraqis and Americans working side-by-side. How can you create and maintain this crazy fairy tale? Let's compare this war to Vietnam like so many people are fond of.
Vietnam = 2 million civilian deaths
Iraq = worst estimate 100,000
Deaths under Saddam = The Documental Centre for Human Rights in Iraq has compiled documentation on over 600,000 civilian executions in Iraq. Human Rights Watch reports that in one operation alone, the Anfal, Saddam killed 100,000 Kurdish Iraqis. Another 500,000 are estimated to have died in Saddam's war with Iran. Coldly taken as a daily average for the 24 years of Saddam's reign, these numbers give us a horrifying picture of between 70 and 125 civilian deaths per day for every one of Saddam's 8,000-odd days in power
Does average joe want to go to Iraq to give kids candy or build sewage plants? Is this what the military trains for? How old are you joe? I know people over fifty years old serving in Iraq. Some volunteered to go, others were mobilized. Has Joe put his name on a volunteer list?
Omg, Donkey, your "don't you want to go to Iraq" lines are getting SSOOOO OLD!
What is so old is cowards that love to see other people fight and die. I have know some tin soldiers but only now ran across tin chickens.
Yeah, but it's almost like it's all you have to post......
Geez, find another line already, will ya? That's not the only one that Libs or anyone else has going for them. There's plenty more to rail the neocons and Libs alike on --
Thanks.
what is a water truck?
The Donkey found a hot button and he can't stop pressing it. I try so hard, but so vainly, to keep my military service out of my posts because I don't think it adds weight to my ideas. However, donkey's endless jabbing is driving me slowly insane and I just can't stop feeding into his sick little game. It is sad that he would derive pleasure from it.
Extremely.
I, not being in the area, and not knowing you personally, however (even though we are on opposite sides of the posts), would like to see more about your military experience here.
My father was a Navy Vietnam-era veteran 8 yrs; he is currently far away from me, and never talks about his experiences.
My grandfather is a retired Navy man; served over 20 years, and retired with 2 ranks at the same time, so until his death, drew 2 retirement checks. He used to tell me throughout my life, a LOT about his experiences in the military, and he was one of the few that it did a lot of good for. He was in during WWII, and talked a lot about that. He, sadly, has passed on, and I miss hearing about his experiences, and him.
I also, even though I have stated that I no longer support our troops (the troops of today certainly are not what the troops were of yesterday, and have nowhere near the standards, I think), think that if one is there to see with their own two eyes, then this lends a lot more credence than someone who doesn't know jack shit about anything, or who gets it solely from the American media.
I don't believe that a job that kills people, or one where a person watches people fight and die is one that is honestly "enjoyed" in any way shape or form, regardless of what Donkey says, and I'm thinking in reality, it's the same for you (although there are other aspects of the military that are enjoyed).
Never discount experience, nor underestimate any that you get; a lot of times, that in itself can be a tie-breaker.
Avg. Joe, even though we don't agree, on this subject, I am willing to listen.
And Donkey, no one has any right to put down anyone's experience in life (in particular one such as this; even if not supported, it doesn't mean that our troops have any less respect than any other human being), it only serves to call someone "less than human", and I'm not willing to do that.
If you are, then it is truly sad.
Well, all except for the game....
He's less than human.
LMAO.
Just kidding.......
A water truck is a truck that carries water! I am familiar with it as a truck that runs around dirt race track to wet them down so they don't harden too much. Too much water and you end up with mud!
Oh, my gosh, you're from WI? Gah!! So, am I. It's a Blue state, too. I think the infiltration of the Fundamentalists is responsible for the number of Wisconsinites who voted for Bush. My godfather/uncle who used to be a Roman Catholic Democratic liberal "swinger" turned rightwing after marrying a fundamentalist and converting. Now, he believes everything Rush Limbaugh says. He's very intelligent, so I can only conclude he's been totally brainwashed (do they play subliminals in these churches?)
At any rate, I always say that if there's an earthquake in WI, it's just my Democratic relatives turning over in their graves because he voted for Bush 2X.
Hi Game!
Do you still live in WI or have you relocated? If so, do you miss it? I've lived here most of my life now and still think of WI as home. It is one of the most beautiful states in the U.S.. I miss the trees, hills, and mostly all the WATER which is sadly lacking here. I don't miss the cold weather, deep snow, high humidity, and swarms of mosquitos, though. Guess, you can take the girl out of Wisconsin but not take Wisconsin out of the girl (must be why I still like beer and cheese so much-ha!-maybe we do have SOMETHING in common, after all.)--DemoCat
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