Do You Support Our Troops?
Then you ought to be supporting the Democrats!
posted by Ron at 11:26 PM
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38 Comments:
supporting the troops does not mean trashing the job they are doing. You can't support the troops and not support the mission...
That would be like saying I support police officers but I hate it when they enforce the law and arrest people.
was your link balanced?
I know men that left behind their families and business to serve this Republic. What has the game given up for the war effort? Will the game enlist? It would mean my friends can come back sooner.
The game can raise the troops morale by enlisting, instead of attacking the families of the killed troops.
I am glad the game has two friends in the military. I have over a hundred , more if you count the ones that have been discharged.
I have been watching my friend grieve for months. His son was killed in Iraq. I visit him and listen to him talk. He has not told me I should stop opposing this war.
The troops need the truth about why they are there. That would improve morale. Support our Troops, Honor our dead, demand the truth.
the answer to your post by a true legend:
No war is noble as far as you all are concerned. The US is guilty. This argument is tiresome, boring, and specious. Why didn't the president's daughters go? It's a volunteer force! The president didn't "send" Cindy Sheehan's son over there; he volunteered. If she is doing anything, she is sullying his memory. She is making his life worthless. She is making what he volunteered to do worthless, and you guys, you don't see this. There are sons, there are family members of elected officials in Washington who have been and are in Iraq. It's not a great number, but they are there. But it's not a draft, and the president can't choose who goes. It's a volunteer army and everything that you said is doing a disservice to those who have volunteered to represent this country and serve this country and their families, and if I were you, I would be ashamed and try to grow up and get a little maturity.
Game, you are so lost to the spooks that I find it almost useless to even try to shine the light for you. The troops are honorable because they volunteer for this country. They do what they are told whether it be Clinton or Bush. They are not the instigators here. If they made a law to arrest all people with your first name and the police did it would it be their fault or the one who passed the law? Troops are noble. War is not!!!! Its KILLING. It's horrible. The most horrible thing ever concieved by man. Sometimes a necessary evil but never something to be proud of..if you have any compassion for humanity. The last resort, the lowest form of problem solving. It's not a football game. Nobody is saying Bush should force his daughters to go. Just a curiousity. If it is such a great cause why they aren't doing what their own father is asking others of the same age to do? Those who lead set the example. To say that the PNAC plan is a bad plan does no disservice to those who didn't make the plan. Why do we insist on looking at the wrongs of the US. Cuz it's our country! It's called personal responsibility! Guys who chop off heads are not my country. They are despicable but not,thank God,a part of my country. To compare America and say we are better is lowering the bar waaaay to far for me. I'm sorry you are so brainwashed. I am sure you mean well and love this country but they stance you have aquired from the media has made you a tool. ....I don't wanna grow up I'm a toys R us kid!!!!:-)
Ron, what do you think the military is for? They are there to fight, to kill...
ron said: Troops are noble. War is not!!!! Its KILLING. It's horrible. The most horrible thing ever concieved by man.
So you are saying that people that join the military are killers...they join to fight for this country. They know the risks going in...
Has there ever been a major conflict settled with words?
Germany in WWI NOPE
Germany/Japan WWII NOPE
Britian in the fight for our independance...NOPE...should be still be under the rule of the UK?
The sad fact is that force and power is what actually brings peace...it happened in the two world wars, our independance, and it will in Iraq as well...
hmmmmmmm.... hmmmmmmmm... I served my country in our military, still do. I don't like these he served, but he didn't debates. 80% of our troops believe in their mission, but 20% do not. That means even if you serve you don't always agree with the cause. So when I see a list of Democrats who served it doesn't answer any quesitons for me, nor should it for you.
I think the fundamental issue here is the difference between isolationists and foreign policy hawks. Isolationism is typically a backlash to conflicts like we have seen during World War II, Korea, Vietnam, and Iraq. Yet every time a conflict arises the American people are behind a call to action. When this war started the people were behind it, then they saw the costs, now they want isolation. It's a pattern that defies logic.
The alternative is the belief that our greater safety in this world can only be maintained by spreading democracy all over the globe. This has been our philosphy and the philosophy of the League of Nations and then the United Nations since World War I. We cannot sit quietly here in our country and expect 1/5 of the world's resources to keep pouring in. We are a target, we are at danger. The only way to prevent the destruction of our nation is by establishing security throughout the globe. Eliminating dictatorships and totalitarian regimes is the right way to insure our safety.
Like I said, you will never see the light. Your world is way to dark.
The game never stated why the militay is not good enough for him. The average joe served, good for him. Since he is prior service, it would be possible for him to re-enlist. I know people over 50 in Iraq now. How old is the Game?
How eager the game and average joe are to send some one else to the blood bath and how reluctent they are to go themselves.
Are they part of the legendary typists, fighting the war from their living room, risking carpal tunnel syndrome to support the troops? Are they spreading freedom like pixie dust all over the globe?
The best way to support a troop is to be one. Join up, encourage your fellow republicans to join up. Do your part. Not once have I seen you try to recuit a republican. If I supported this war, I would have to recuit rebublicans because most of my Democratic friends are in the military.
The Game says:R on, what do you think the military is for? They are there to fight, to kill...
ron said: Troops are noble. War is not!!!! Its KILLING. It's horrible. The most horrible thing ever concieved by man.
So you are saying that people that join the military are killers...they join to fight for this country. They know the risks going in...
Actually Game it sounds to me like YOU are the one that is saying they are killers. From my experience most of the people joined the military for a job/money, to gain a skill or get money for college. I don't personally know of anyone who signed up to fight and kill. Maybe that is why recruitment is down?
Dude I gotta tell you, I feel for you. At least Joe(even though I do disagree 80% of the time) is able to form his own thoughts and think for himself. All you do is repeat the words of the right wing screach monkeys.You are certainly not alone in this. Almost everything you write I have heard a thousand times before. Freerepublic.com is full of people like you. I think you would feel right at home.
Yes, many conflicts have been settled by other means. It is possible. To list them here would be fruitless because your are so narrowmindedly focused on "winning the arguement" and proving you are a manly man that you couldn't pound a needle up your ass with a hammer. Like I've said before, I don't think you are an "evil" person at heart but I regret to inform you that you are being influenced by some truly evil people. I hope someday you have an experience in your life that causes you to reexamine your morals your values and your(and all of our)purpose in life. Until then I fear you will have to continue to live in your dark, angry,fearful world. May God have mercy on you and your soul.
I would like to see this list of major conflict that have been solved by the UN and simply talking...
Hopefully for you, Ron, your way of thinking never takes hold, cause if the religion of peace wins this war of terror, they will simply kill you.
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and ron..why so angry???
I thought progressives were peaceful, calm people...I looked back at my comments, I don't personally attack you...I am just trying to make my point...
I know you believe what you say, and I believe what I say...
I read and listen to lots of sources, yours is one of them...
I make my own decision and opinions, I do not just follow the party line...isn't it possible that I am just a conservative that happens to believe most of what other conservatives say?
I disagree with Bush on:
Roberts
energy policy
abstinence only education
and more..
but you don't come to my site or don't comment so you wouldn't know what I think.
Ron,
I joined the military, in 1980, to learn and train to kill large amounts of Communists. I thought we were headed for a third world war with the Soviet Union.
I did not sign up for a college education, to get a job skill, or for the health care. I joined to serve. I was already in the military when Reagan called The evil empire what it was.
I also learned there are many evil doers. Some evil persons betrayed our intellegence at the White House. We must punish this treason. This traitor hurt the US. Why is he in the White House?
Game in one of your statements above you basically admit you are a war monger. We are both wasting our time with each other. We are not even on the same planet and I would rather die that take up your view of the world.
well, lets pull out of Iraq and start "talking" to extremist and you will probably get your wish.
Game, see you are taking the typical right field view of a liberal. I am not in favor of bending over for the terrorists. I think we should find them and if necessary, yes, kill them. Unfortunately we are, with our current method, killing as many innocents as terrorists. What is the definition of terrorist? They blew of 50 bombs in bangladesh yesterday. The have also acted in england, saudi, bali, spain, on and on and on. They are mobile while we are tied down in a battle that could have waited. It is a method that is bound to fail. we need more and smaller groups of troops to work with governments where terrorists reside to hunt down the bad guys and leave the innocent unharmed. Thats my opinion take it or leave it.
Who is this anonymous @-hole. I STILL serve in the military. I can't make the Army send me to Iraq. Even if I was there would that somehow make my point more or less valid? You are a fool. Using a person's service as support for an opinion is like chastizing a person for hating homeless people because they don't work at a soup kitchen. I don't need to recruit and I don't need to be in Iraq to have an opinion about the war. You say it's a bloodbath and YOU haven't been there. Fifty people you know isn't worth squat next to personal experience. How can you call something you neither support nor participate in a bloodbath yet say I am not entitled to an opinion in disagreement. You are a fool sir, an idiot, a leftist pig so steeped in hypocricy you can't see your own foolishness even when it's written down. Further conversation with a piece of human garbage like you is a waste of time. You want to talk about name calling? My comments are descriptors, and damn accurate as well.
Ron,
Wait, hold on, ready...
I agree with you 100%...
The problem is that the American people and the world will never allow us to just go wherever we want and kill terrorists...
Bush saw that there was support for some areas, so he went for them...it would be great if we could run into Seria and just kill like 200 terrorist and leave...but I'm not sure that is possible anyway...
I want the best way to stop radical Muslims to happen...not exactly sure what that is...
Bush thinks that by making more countries democratic it will spread throughout the Middle East and that is how we will win...it seems like the best strategy that we can actually carry out..
and I don't believe talking works with Muslim extremist...
and Ron, I do agree with some of your stories, I just don't say anything because I don't get all fired up about them...
You should come on over to my site and actually post something...there are a few libs who do and we have a good time...there is a guy that argues well, as you do (except lately when you just started name calling).
I actually do not. I know the heck I am going to take for saying so, but this is an all volunteer force and if one is stupid enough to join the armed forces of a country that fights wars WHEN IT IS NOT DEFENDING ITSELF, then maybe one is stupid enough to be selected out of the gene pool. If we lived in a country that actually went to war with those that attack us (like Oh, I don't know, BIN LADEN!!) instead of destabilizing a nation we had already made impotent; I would not only support the troops and our mission, I would join up.
Have you signed up to volunteer, average Joe? I know people who went to Iraq by request. I am sure if you want to go, The Army will find a way to send you there. You seem to have some anger issues, Average Joe, I say save it for the Iraqis. Do you want me to believe you want to go to Iraq? Do you want to go over there, Average Joe? I can help pull some strings for you.
this guy is a complete loser...take your meds.
you have one point, and it sucks. Maybe you were in the army and fell on your head, sounds very possible since you can't do anything but repeat your lame premise that if you don't serve you can't have an opinion on the war. Well, then neither can the lying mother, she didn't serve and her son would be embarrassed if he were alive today...the rest of her family is...
Isn't is sad that the actual family of the lying mother is discussed with her actions yet people like anonymous and moveon.org stand up for her...tells you how wrong they are.
Here, since we can not talk because we have not been in Iraq, here is the opinion of 90% of troops...
Milblogger Jason at Warrior Voice, who is deploying for his second tour in Iraq, writes:
As I near the date I am to return to Iraq I can't help but listen at amazement of these people on the left. Of course it is not all on the left. There are many who believe that since we are there we need to do the right thing and finish the job. However, there are those on the left who I believe want more troops to die so they can say "see I told you". It is as if they are on the same side of the terrorists. Of course I don't believe they agree with the terrorists action, although there are various groups who compare terrorists to the minute men of the American revolution. However, they have one goal and it is for the United States to lose the war in Iraq and the War on Terror. I'm sorry for Cindy Sheehans lose but she is doing nothing but taking the honor the honor away from that young man. If she was my mother I would be embarrassed and ashamed...
So when will you enlist? Why is the lame game too good to join the military?
Does joe want to go to Iraq?
9-11 emergency...
Yes, there is a person who is very sick and has not taken his meds in a very long time...he has become a danger to himself and others...can someone please go pick him up...I think he escaped from the loony bin a month ago...I heard they were very worried about him.
9-11: okay sir, this sounds very serious, we will get someone on that right away
If she was my mother I would be proud as I could be of her...so take that! :-)
Game, thanks for opening the door enough for some dialogue. I know some governments will not be prone to accept our help. Pakistan who supposedly is on our side is one example right now. Most countries will though. Especially after the dipshits(rightwing moslems) try to push the agenda in their country. Do what we can with the willing and keep up the intelligence on the others. At some point they will all be driven to a syria or pakistan and then.... BOOM!
I forgot to mention. The most important things we can do are basically non military. First we must find a way to get people on OUR side again. I know, screw those other countries, we have to look out for our own. This however is the most effective way to do it. Once we convince we are not out to overpower the world(as we accuse the enemy of doing) they may join us. At that point, with dwindling supporters their movement will wither. People want to be on the side of the good guys. We must become that in the eyes of the world again. Another thing that the darned liberal media could do to help is put on every moslem they can find that will condemn the evil ones. Every day..a never ending drum beat. You'd be suprized what a difference this would make. Especially if our allies will do the same in their countries. Why is the media doing this?
PS: It's not a liberal media it is a (corporate)for profit media and they will air whatever will make a profit, they have no conscience one way or the other.
Ment to say why is the media NOT doing this?
I just think you blow it with all the make nice, nice...We had 8 years of Clinton, he is your guy, right?
Then why did the terrorist still plan 9-11? And if you are going to say it is because of stuff we did in the 80's, then how long do we have to play nice before they stop wanting to end Western civilization?
I have read quite a few stories from the middle east saying the because of the freedoms granted to Iraqi's and people in Afghanistan, that the support for all the Muslim extremists is dwindling...OBL is not as popular as he once was....because we are giving these people hope for a free and better life...
It seems to be working much better than 8 years of playing nice.
Working better than what? We are draining our treasury, killing our troops and innocent people and their is more terrorism and terrorists and terrorist attacks than ever before. Talk to me again when you enter the reality base world.Other than that you are done around here as far as I'm concerned.
Hey, dildo (yes, I AM going to name-call on this idiot): Anonymous said...
Have you signed up to volunteer, average Joe? I know people who went to Iraq by request. I am sure if you want to go, The Army will find a way to send you there. You seem to have some anger issues, Average Joe, I say save it for the Iraqis. Do you want me to believe you want to go to Iraq? Do you want to go over there, Average Joe? I can help pull some strings for you.
1:47 AM, August 18, 2005
In avg. joe's defense (which I do rarely), he has already stated I served my country in our military, still do. and I STILL serve in the military.
Go get a brain.
I will say, that he is SO right (and I can say this coming from a military family) when he says (and I can say that most who have and do serve will say this): Fifty people you know isn't worth squat next to personal experience. How can you call something you neither support nor participate in a bloodbath yet say I am not entitled to an opinion in disagreement.
Gee, wonder if this anonymous asshole is a spammer? LOL.
The lame game has not said why he is not elisting for Iraq. If you want to defend below average joe that is your business. Are you young enough to join the military? You can spend that hate on the Iraqis.
To The Game:
Re: your first message
Uh, yes, I think we can.
These guys and gals are over there because they wanted to serve their country. 'Course a lot of them wanted to do it at home in the National Guard helping out in disasters, etc. Not to mention, that a lot of people joined the military to get a free education, etc. or because of economic inopportunity. It isn't THEIR fault they are in Iraq. It is the Bush Administration's fault they are there. I think the TROOPS mean well (at least most of them). Supporting the troops doesn't have to mean supporting why they are there FOLLOWING ORDERS FROM THEIR SUPERIORS as they have been taught to do. It can mean praying for them, donating blood, writing to them, helping their families out, etc. I have family members who are veterans. If my oldest son hadn't failed the vision test in basic training (Air Force) he could be in Iraq right now. Why in the name of God, would I not support the TROOPS? I don't blame them. I blame Bush!
Congress sent our soldiers to Iraq. You particpate in our democracy, now support its decisions. Did you know that same congress can order our troops back from Iraq, that the governors of the states with committed National guard soldiers can order them back to the states? Blaming this war on Bush is denying the existence of an American democracy.
My God Joe! I would never expect to hear something like this from a thinking man like you(no sarcasm intended)! I could write a thesis on your previous post but I will take the short way for now.
Either Bush is your caped hero saving the world for democracy or he's a bit player, which is it?
"Do You Support Our Troops?"
Pure and simply. NO. Not any more.
Well, Average Joe, I don't just blame Bush. I blame Cheney, Rove, Wolfawitz, Rumsfield, etc. a lot more, in fact. Bush is mostly a spoiled rich boy at heart who feels that he and his friends are ENTITLED to more than anyone else. He's not as stupid as everyone thinks, but is deliberately anti-intellectual and not interested in policy. Plus he's so ADHD, even now, that he can't pay attention in cabinet meetings which Paul O'Neill noted in his book, I believe. Add to that that he has "converted" to some sort of fundamentalist religion (he's not really Methodist)because he's an alcoholic and religion is his new "drug". He may think he's doing God's will, but he's deluded and doesn't understand what Christianity is all about which is loving your neighbor and God, the 2 things being interchangable, really.
The thing is that #1 Bush is kept insulated from true public opinion and a lot of the things he SHOULD know. He may sometimes mean to do the right thing at times, but Cheney, etc. are the ones really running the show and won't let him. I sort of feel sorry for Bush sometimes and rather than punishing him, I just want to see him go back to Texas permanently and hire someone to write his memoirs. Personally, I think Cheney knows he's making a fool of all you Bush supporters and that he would sacrifice Dubya to impeachment and let him take the fall as long as nothing happened to him (Cheney). He can't be trusted. It's so appropiate that Cheney was born in the year of the snake "in the grass".--
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