Spying On......Whoever they damned well please
My computer has been down briefly. Yes I did nearly loose my mind. Now I am on again. Nothing changed I see.
More proof Bush is the Fuhrer and all the right can say is he's just pertectin us from the terists. What part of "this is what you fear the terists doin in the first place" don't you understand!!!!!!!!!
Give up your freakin rights if you want to, just understand that some of us don't want too!
How in the hell do they get away with this! I don't care what the President says. He hasn't proved himself anywhere close to worthy of my trust. His plan, whatever it is,(proof we have lost control of our government right there) seems to have lead to an increase and not a decrease in terrorism and the threat world wide and from overseas.
Spying on Americans and lack of progress in the war on terror. Time for a new plan. When will people admit that he is totally incompentent and down right dangerous when it comes to the war on terra.
Russ Feingold says:
This Administration’s arrogance and abuse of power should concern all Americans. That the government may be secretly collecting, and using data mining to analyze, the phone records of millions of law-abiding Americans, as reported in the press today, is a frightening prospect. I am unaware of this program, and Congress needs to find out exactly what the Administration is doing and whether it is legal. It is time for the Administration to come clean with Congress and the American people. We can effectively fight terrorism and protect privacy, the rule of law, and separation of powers, but only if we have a President who believes in these principles.
posted by Ron at 2:55 PM
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Again, it's called communism, Ron.
"Homeland Security" is nothing but a bunch of heads of the communistic state.
Problem is, by now the next prez won't be able to undo it, even if they want to.
I have no problem standing up for my "rights" -- problem is, there's very few left.
Take care.
Ok, so Ron leaves Ros Rad & everyone decides to take off from here?
Still think Sen. Domenici is so great? This email is in response to votetoimpeach.org's petition on the NSA's spying program, and my move to send a letter to him about it. I don't think any letters we send to congress or senate are ever going to do any good again:
"Dear (Real name here):
Thank you for contacting me regarding the National Security
Agency's (NSA) efforts to detect and prevent terrorist attacks and Senator Feingold's resolution to censure President Bush. I am glad you took the time to share your thoughts with me on this important issue.
Throughout the history of our country, and especially during
times of war, our government has sought to balance Americans' civil liberties and the imperative of national security. Let me state clearly that the constitutionally protected rights of Americans are of paramount importance to me. Also, I recognize the solemn duty of the President to protect Americans from
foreign threats. Clearly, Americans must be able to trust their elected leaders to apply fair and judicious use of these constitutional rights and responsibilities.
The NSA's terrorist surveillance program is designed to detect and prevent terrorist attacks on the United States. Put simply, if a member of al Qaeda receives a phone call from someone in the United States or makes a phone call to someone in the United States, the NSA monitors this communication. I want to be clear, the purpose of the NSA program is to only monitor
communications in which a known terrorist is involved. I think
most Americans can agree, it is of the utmost importance to discern the plans and intentions of those responsible for the September 11, 2001 attacks on our nation. I would like to point out no accusations have been made that the NSA terrorist surveillance program has been used for any purpose other than to prevent further attacks on the United States.
The President and the Justice Department have cited the Constitution and the Authorization for the Use of Military Force
(AUMF) passed by Congress after the attacks of September 11th as
legal authorities for the NSA terrorist surveillance program.
The Constitution invests in the President the legal authority to
protect the nation from foreign attack. Furthermore, the AUMF
authorized the President to "use all necessary and appropriate military force against those nations, organizations, or persons
he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided in the
terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001."
Recently the Supreme Court recognized that the AUMF allowed the
President to take actions that are "a fundamental incident of waging war" even if those actions are not specifically addressed.
As you may know, several members of the House Representatives and the Senate have been aware for a long time of the NSA terrorist surveillance program and have received briefings regarding its operation. The individuals briefed included the Speaker of the House and House Minority Leader, the Majority and Minority leaders of the Senate, and the chairmen and ranking
members of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees. One of
those individuals, Congresswomen Jane Harman (D-CA) Ranking
Member of the House Intelligence Committee, has stated regarding
the NSA terrorist surveillance program, "I believe this program
is essential to US national security and that its disclosure has
damaged critical intelligence capabilities."
Some concerns have been raised regarding the legality of the NSA
terrorist surveillance program in relation to the Fourth
Amendment of the Constitution and the Foreign Intelligence
Surveillance Act of 1978 (FISA). (Here it comes...)Throughout the history of our nation it has been established the Fourth Amendment does not prevent the government from pursuing its legitimate interest in enforcing the law and gathering intelligence in time of war.
FISA established statutory guidelines for the use of surveillance pertaining to national security and created a special court to insure such activities were reasonably justified. FISA was intended to prevent abuse of surveillance and searches for national security purposes and seeks to strike a balance between the need to safeguard our nation's security
and protect the civil liberties of its citizens. Some, however,
have expressed concern that FISA no longer provides enough
flexibility for cases where preventing a terrorist attack on
American soil requires nearly immediate surveillance of our enemies to ascertain their intentions.
The Senate Judiciary Committee has commenced a series of hearings to examine the application and legality of the NSA terrorist surveillance program. I look forward to these
hearings and will closely monitor these proceedings. I agree
that measures undertaken for greater security must not come at the unreasonable forfeiture of civil liberties and constitutional checks and balances that have made our nation a great and strong democracy. I firmly believe the surveillance
powers of the government must not be abused. Additionally, Congress should determine if there is a need to amend FISA in order to better respond to threats facing our nation.
As you know, on March 13, 2006 Senator Russell Feingold introduced S.RES.398, a resolution relating to the censure of President Bush for his authorization of the NSA's
above-referenced terrorist surveillance program. I believe there are legitimate differences of opinion concerning the NSA's
terrorist surveillance program, but am concerned that this resolution is a political move that adds nothing to the important debate that must take place regarding the need to strike the appropriate balance between safeguarding our nation
and protecting the civil liberties of its citizens.
I believe Congress should monitor the surveillance activity our nation's intelligence agencies closely and assess its contribution to defending our nation against acts of terror as well as the potential for any abuses that could infringe upon Americans' privacy. I will continue to pay close attention to
this issue.
Again, thank you for contacting me. I hope you will continue to keep me apprised of the issues most important to you.
Sincerely,
Pete V. Domenici
United States Senator"
Neocon asshole. He wants, I believe, to spread the paranoia, fear, fear, fear, terrorism, terrorism, terrorism, etc. just like Dubya. The U.S. has been monitoring illegally for years -- imagine how easy it will be to do it even more so once it's legal.
They can shuv it.
I have an idea, how about the people get a bunch of surveillance equipment, and spy on the neocon assholes?
once again, your in the severe minority...63% of Americans want the govt to do whatever they can to keep us safe...
Who cares if they know who you call?
What illegal things are you doing?
I won't even come over here to see your response, since it will just be emotional liberal bable..
just wanted you to know that once again, in yet another issue, you are wrong and most Americans know agree with me.
link with poll:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/12/AR2006051200375_pf.html
The new survey found that 63 percent of Americans said they found the NSA program to be an acceptable way to investigate terrorism, including 44 percent who strongly endorsed the effort. Another 35 percent said the program was unacceptable, which included 24 percent who strongly objected to it.
Yet, today Democrats will run around thinking they can gain politically from this...
And they will if Bush gets scared.
Bush, will you stop doing what the Dem's and media want you to do...its the way to recovery...
Examples:
Most people support wiretaps and spying, but the media and Dem's scream loud, Republicans hide in the corner and try not to wet themselves...
Most people want the borders secured and illegals punished, Bush wants to let everyone in...
Most people would support drilling almost anywhere, but Dem's, environmentalist and the media say we can't even drill in the middle of nowhere, and our gas prices go up and up and up...
Bush's numbers are now his fault...the American people still hold conservative values...every poll says they want the Right to do what they are supposed to do, but since the Right is now Democrat-lite, conservatives sit and home in disgust....like they will in Nov.
Most polls show that Americans also believe in National Healthcare, oppose the Bush tax cut plan and want a plan to get out of Iraq.Washington Post, Gallup, Zogby, etc. Not "conservative" views. On the other hand they don't want increased taxes on themselves.
The Bush Administration and Republican Congress Are Not like Dems and Liberals in what they are wanting to spend on and what they want to cut.
The purpose of the Bush Administration and Congress, many Dems included, is to do the bidding of the global corporatists, Not what is good for the U.S. citizens or what they want.
...63% of Americans want the govt to do whatever they can to keep us safe...
Who cares if they know who you call?
What illegal things are you doing?
I won't even come over here to see your response, since it will just be emotional liberal bable..
just wanted you to know that once again, in yet another issue, you are wrong and most Americans know agree with me.
Game, they did that poll literally hours after the story came out. Nobody honestly knows what they are talking about. Nobody has yet considered warrants or the 4th amendment or many other things. Don't get to uppity cuz you are of the yet informed majority.
"Most Americans want us to do whatever they can to keep us safe"!!???
Dude, I could write a novel on that statement alone. Let's just say a statement with absolutes other than your own is suspicious on its face. The fact that you state "can do" is a huge part of the question that you seemingly don't get or you wouldn't have included it in your statement.
Who cares? I do. I will vote to give you and others the ability to give up their rights if you want. I'm not giving up mine so get use to it.
I dont hear many dems screaming about this..sadly.
"Most people would support drilling almost anywhere"
Really? I'm not sure you are quite accurate on that and that is why it hasn't passed even with overhelming Republican majorities.
Quit looking for oil and start looking for alternatives if you want the price to go down cuz that is the only way it will happen.
Well, y'know what? I don't care what the people want in this case. I care about the law.
Yep, game, I really don't care what you majority (or not) brainless maggots want. Just the intelligent few.
Oh, and game, about the Washington Post on this matter...
In fact, many prominent Republicans -- including Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA), Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), and others -- have sharply disagreed with the administration's legal justifications for the warrantless domestic surveillance program and have criticized the administration for flouting the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).
And, with the Groups sueing to stop the Bush spy program, I don't honestly think there's as many brainless maggots out there as you propose there are.
Especially with 77% of them saying they don't want the program.
Any questions? Or, are you going to keep spouting your rhetoric all over the place? I've got more, so bring it on if you want.
Oh, you might want to take the time for something else intelligent, that being the myths and falsehoods on the NSA domestic call-tracking program, also FALSE news' false attack on USA Today call-tracking report, suggested NSA has access only to Americans' phone numbers, I could go on and on.
So dewd, take your so-called "poll" and shuv it.
Not to mention, checking in with a balanced moderate, we see this:
Another company, Denver-based Qwest, refused to cooperate because it questioned the legality of the government program.
and
"Are you telling me that tens of millions of Americans are involved with al-Qaida?" Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., asked. "If that's the case, we've really failed in any kind of a war on terror."
Oh, and I don't tell you what I do with my private time, because it's none of your damned business. I don't tell perverts who think it is what I do. And, I don't even want to think about what you do.
So, I guess that leaves out the majority of the government. They're all perverts. :-p~~~~~~~~~
You communistic, fascist, law-breaking, piece of crap, game. How dare you defy the law, when you know better. You complain about crime, etc., when you support breaking the constitution, and the law.
You truly are a maggot --
Oh, and game, if you label me as "liberal" one more time, I will make sure to post all over the i-net what you are.
I will not reiterate again what I am, and it's not liberal, nor conservative.
It just makes sense.
DeDanna calling names again, me a hypocrite, and what are you the choirboy from hell. If anybody thinks they can Blow us out, let it happen. Seems to me the real hypocrites are you and the Game, two horrible distractions, a division just like the hypocrite republicans want, you couldn't be more perfect, thats why your stuck in some lame little town blowing smoke up everybody elses butt. DeDanna forget it, your not even fit to talk to, so lets see if you can goad me some more loser.
The One and Only Maniac, and I never take anything back, ever.
PS And I never do either we were never on here because of Roswell Radio or anything else cause we dont like John Dunn and you all should be smart enough to figure that one out, dont like Bu$h or Cheney or stepford Laura or ugly Republicans they have really fucked up our country good this time well enough have a good one we always do. This is so boring no wonder all left . Hahahaha
Wow. Its been a busy day.....
I copied this from somewhere. Firedog Lake? maybe?? Buzzflash has an editorial about it, too. As does Media Matters.
"As eRiposte has noted, in a CBS/NYT poll earlier this year this was one of the questions posed:
In order to reduce the threat of terrorism, would you be willing or not willing to allow government agencies to monitor the telephone calls and e-mails of ordinary Americans on a regular basis?
At that time 70% responded "no." A rather strong indication that a lot has to do with how these particular questions are worded."
Lonna
DeDanna from now on DemoCat DC will never be on blog again.
2 Dedanna: Correct that to after this, DC will be off the blog forever. (Was advised to come check out the message to you.)
Anyway, I am not coming back to this blog for personal reasons. However, since I'm here I'd like to say that I've enjoyed talking to you on the blog and will miss you but not The Game-LOL Wish you all the best in the future and keep on fighting the good fight.
:-) Also, read a neat book by Garrison Keillor, you'd probably enjoy. "WLT: A Radio Romance". It's set in Minnesota in the early days of radio. Pretty funny and if Keillor's on target the early radio folks were definitely wild and only the family values types when on-air.
Ciao!
PS Am also switching to KCRX from The Fox as do NOT want to support John "Dunce" in any way, shape, or form!
Dedanna is so damn angry all the time, name calling, hatred...
That is what happens with emotional people...
you might not call yourself a liberal now, but you have all the characteristics of one...
oh, one more thing...
IN A BOLD AND CONTROVERSIAL DECISION, the president authorized a program for the surveillance of communications within the United States, seeking to prevent acts of domestic sabotage and espionage. In so doing, he ignored a statute that possibly forbade such activity, even though high-profile federal judges had affirmed the statute's validity. The president sought statutory amendments allowing this surveillance but, when no such legislation was forthcoming, he continued the program nonetheless. And when Congress demanded that he disclose details of the surveillance program, the attorney general said, in no uncertain terms, that it would get nothing of the sort.
This bit of Presidential cowboyness was brought to you by none other than Democratic Icon FDR.Shall we bash him?
Did his party bash him?
The Supreme Court had ruled against his tactic but what did FDR say? "I am convinced that the Supreme Court never intended any dictum in the particular case which it decided to apply to grave matters involving the defense of the nation." And he did it anyway.
Here we have a President at war doing his very best to defend his Country.
An Icon of the Democratic party doing EXACLTY the same thing the Democratic party is so exercised about President Bush for.
But this latest program is far less the what FDR did, in the first program all we know is they are listening to international conversations involving known terrorists.
In the latest records of calls, with no names attached looking for patterns.I wonder if the mad at Bush types will also trash the history provided here by a liberal Icon.
Man, the Democratic party really doesn't stand for anything anymore. Say and do whatever it takes to get elected...
Game, your source please?
A rose by any other name is still a rose and so is shit disguised as pertectin us. I wouldn't care if it was a repub, dem or liberal or conservative or fdr or gwb. Unfortunately I wasn't around to fight that fight. Don't blame me or most of the people living today.
You are right. Dems suck, problem is Repubs suck worse.
If it wasn't for the repeated postings of those who repeatedly say they are leaving and never coming back this blog wouldn't have much.
I'd do this if it just floated in cyberspace. It's there for the taking. Take what you can use and leave the rest.
It's too bad people have to have such serious differences isn't it? That we need to yell and pout? It's free speech here but it certainly shows quickly the people that can deal with the real world and the ones that can't.
Ok, the reason I'm yelling is that (and I've posted it elsewhere, too) we have people supporting walls around the u.s., wiretapping & spying on the american public, to quote:
Ok. Let me put it to you like this:
Everything's in place:
1) A wall
2) Wiretapping your own people & spying on them
3) You're busted, according to the law, for saying anything at all against the gov't or for "dissent"
Hhmmm... sounds like I'm talking about China & Russia.
Oh, wait, I'm not.
It pisses me off that anyone, and i mean anyone would support this for a democratic society.
There are so many other ways to handle the situations that there are in the u.s., but yet, the communistic ways are the ones being supported, all in the name of "conservatism".
It's bullshit. Total, complete, bullshit.
And, when someone says the majority of the american public supports it, and posts a poll that is in dispute in itself to support what they've said...
Again, it's bullshit. Total, complete, bullshit.
There was never any free speech be it here or on the show, you might think so - but howcome John Dunn or Dan Foley always attempted to censure me. Ron, Dedanna and the Game prove my point they both are such jerks they have nothing else to do except attack - and the stupid asses don't realize they are playing right into my expertise, dip shits, haven't got enough brains to be American they are both sort of psuedo-fake players to this discourage the truth at all costs pricks and yes Dedanna is more a prick than she realizes, the Game of course what a repbulican farce, him and his party - I pay for the largest landslide against these Non-Americans - I can't say get rid of them or I'd be joinging there nasty philosphy, Anytime DeDanna, Anytime Game - I told you before I am an American and I will kick you ass everytime you open your nasty mouths, my problem is why hasn't Nr. Free Speech (Ron) himself done something, and he wonders why I quit calling that show, wake up, I am perhaps the only American and the o ny one who believes in the people of America - the rest of you greedy republican jerks will get your reward, if not here in the next life, lets just hope we have a civil war by then isn't that what republicans want isn't what they did with Abe Lincoln, 3000 died in the towers, 50,000 Americans died at Gettysburg kyou fairys, now choke on this message and if Mr Free Speech wants to show us his affiliation - then do so.
The One and Only American in this fucking blog The Maniac
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Dedanna, I agree completely. The people that support this government have a real need for a refresher course in American history and the constitution.
Maniac, I have no comment on what you said cuz it has no bearing whatsoever on a discussion of the issues effecting America. Hate all you want, I'm not playin. Get over the schoolyard bully thing and people might actually to decide to discuss issues with you.
Well, try as I might I seem to keep getting sucked back into coming to this blog. (sigh) This time so I could print out Maniac's comments for "Writer".
I see that there are quite a few negative comments re: Democrats and their Party. Granted the DP is not all it should be, but it is much the lesser evil compared to the other crowd and its values are a lot closer to those of Independents, Greens, Populists, etc. Constructive criticism is one thing, but we don't need to beat up on each other. The other side (inc. The Game) is more than happy to do that for us. This, I think, is Maniac's main point. He may get a little emotionally intense at times :-) , but he means well esp. re: his defense of TRUE patriotism.
I see that the head blogger is either posting from CO or is back (ALREADY!!!). Hopefully, he had a good visit with his children and has found a great new job where he will actually have free speech for a change.
2 Dedanna-hope you know that although B & L are my best friends, I am not mad at you. That's not why I am off the blog or at least trying to be. It's because someone wants me to go away although he will not come right out and say so. However, I am not so out of touch with the REAL WORLD that I am unable to read between the lines. Therefore, I will oblige him in this regard. Seems to me that HE is the one who is doing the online POUTING. Guess, he never heard the one about being careful about what he wishes for. Oh, well, hopefully he will be headed north for good very soon. I think it is what will make him happiest in the long run. Despite everything, I still wish him much luck and happiness.
Anyway, will TRY to stay away from the blog and not post anymore, but wish you well, too, Dedanna.
Peace!
Ron,
When was the last time your served your country? Neither did the Game or that louse DeDanna, you can say what you will, but then none of you know what it really means to be an American, and I dismiss your childish cooments, you obvioiusly read what I wrote, its just like the show, I didn't participate because it was not free speech and it certainly di not reflect Americans, why do you think you were to talking mainly to 2 people every (And one of them Read from stories) Someday lets hope all three of you get the chance to serve this country - until then - it is your comments that have no merit.
The One and Only American The Maniac
To you, too, dc. I wish you the best always, and thank you.
I do want everyone here to know something. Patriotism to me, is not just to ra-ra for Ameria. To me, it is to ra-ra for the world. We have so many who are underprivileged to say the least around the world, and I think it best to do what is best for not only America, but for everyone.
I have decided that America has already gone to hell in a handbasket (sorry Ron, I can't hang with your or anyone else's idealism about "America" -- it doesn't exist any more), so I'm working on getting my application into the Peace Corps (yes, I'm seriously going to do that), and do what I can through it (try to make a difference in the world with what we got here), then it's off to another country when I'm out, go to school there, get my master's finished, and teach. There. Not in America. I just can't do it any more. I've found way too many very negative changes in my lifetime here in the U.S., and don't see a way for them to get seriously better.
Think about it: even if there is an election in 2008, even if we get a Dem or Independent prez, look what they'll be inheriting. Economy-wise (and in lots of other important ways, too!), with the federal deficit being what it is, even if the war in Iraq were to end tomorrow, it's going to be at least a century before we can pull our head out -- GWB & the communistic regime have this place that screwed up.
I'm sorry, I have a life to live before then, and I'm going to live it somewhere else while there's still time, and while there's still a world to seek out.
I will return, but nowhere near as much -- will be very busy over the next year.
Take care, all.
I'd like to know something, kind of rhetoric-related, and I'd seriously like to know this:
Why is it only the vets, military, senior people who think that they are the only Americans?
Are the rest of us not human, too?
Maniacs, it's not like I'm loving GWB here -- you act like I'm a Repuglican-lovin' asshole like Donald Rumsfeld.
Shuv it, pls.
Oh, and why would a one and only American bash any of the points that I've made above?
These days a "One and Only American" is considered to be pro-GWB, pro-Spying, pro-take away the rights of the American people.
You think I'm going to stand for that from ANYONE???
Hell no!
Proud to be un-American,
Dedanna
Liberals and Moderates, Democrats, Greens, Independents, and rational Republicans must all join forces.
We have met the enemy and the enemy is Bush!
The enemy is not only Bush.
The enemy is also anyone who voted for Bush.
The enemy is also anyone who supports Bush.
The enemy is anyone who stands for war.
The enemy is anyone who stands for the fear game.
The enemy is anyone who falls for rhetoric and brainwashing.
The enemy is in (at least near) our backyard for chrissake --
How do you intend to stop all that? There's a whole mindset sweeping through America. That mindset is what needs to be addressed.
And that mindset and new ways of making the point is what we all must work at. It can be done but only if we are relentless in our goal.
By the way, I think the enemy is the person against the US. I think the vast majority of Americans have the same goals just different ways to get there. Conservatives are not my enemy. They are, for better or worse, fellow citizens. The corporations and such that have no patriotism but to money and a larger more global company. Them and their enablers are the biggest danger to America.
Well, you can count me in on that.
I do not like at all the america of today. America is illegally bombing other countries, and getting its own people killed and stupid in the process. I have total disregard, nothing but contempt, and absolutely NO respect for those sheeple who allow themselves to be dumbed down, bankrupted, brainwashed, sold out, killed, etc. all in the name of oil, money, and power. I also have no respect for governments who claim to be "free", yet take away the rights of its own people. And americans of today, for the most part, allow themselves to think this is all right and great. Americans are arrogant people who think they own the world, so do as they please with it.
Those in america who disallow all of the above appear negligible, either that or they are sorely repressed, and this is way too unfortunate.
If that thinking makes me an enemy of america, then so be it.
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