Monday, December 12, 2005

Uh Oh

From Capitol Hill Blue:

Last month, Republican Congressional leaders filed into the Oval Office to meet with President George W. Bush and talk about renewing the controversial USA Patriot Act.
Several provisions of the act, passed in the shell shocked period immediately following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, caused enough anger that liberal groups like the American Civil Liberties Union had joined forces with prominent conservatives like Phyllis Schlafly and Bob Barr to oppose renewal...........“Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.” “Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!”....................President Bush has proposed seven amendments to the Constitution over the last five years, including a controversial amendment to define marriage as a “union between a man and woman.” Members of Congress have proposed some 11,000 amendments over the last decade, ranging from repeal of the right to bear arms to a Constitutional ban on abortion........Scalia says the danger of tinkering with the Constitution comes from a loss of rights.

Is this fact or fiction? Frankly I don't know. I haven't read this site consistantly enough to know their track record. I would hope no U.S. President would have such hubris but if any bunch would it would be these guys. Not just Bush but the whole bunch of them. The PNACian terror.

I do know that the pertinent facts in this story are correct because I have looked it up elsewhere. Here

The Justice Department has said it could identify the secret law under seal, which would be available to the 9th Circuit but not necessarily Gilmore's lawyers. But any public description would not be permitted, the department said.

This is a case based on a guys refusal to show ID at an airport. Actually I thought we already had a law like that but apparently not. I have no objection if they would like to pass a law like that. It is not overly restrictive in my book. What is is a SECRET LAW!? How the hell do you do that and how many might we have? Sorry, homey don't play dat. This is America and you just went waaaaaay to far. NO SECRET LAWS!!!!.....FIX THE PATRIOT ACT!!!!


Blogger Ron said...

Yep, I know, 9/11 changed everything...sure did. When have to take away constitutional rights so the enemy won't take away our....... ..... HEY wait a minute!!!$#@

5:35 PM, December 12, 2005  
Blogger The Game said...

This does seem messed up...even though the Patriot act has seemed to help the Government break up cells and plots easier too

9:59 PM, December 13, 2005  
Blogger Ron said...

Game, someday when you really start learning about what they are doing you will ask yourself if it was worth that. Its truly kremlin. secret detention facilities, secret plans, secret warrants, unlimited snooping at will, national ID card and now secret freakin laws!!! Would you want Ted Kennedy or Hillary Clinton to have that kind of power? The election is 3 years away and they are trying to make lots of this permanate. All this is directly opposed to what America(as I view it) stands for. If we need to do this to protect us from the terrorists we have already lost.

11:00 PM, December 13, 2005  
Blogger The Donkey said...

Did the President of the United States call the Constitution a “goddamned piece of paper.”?

The Donkey thinks so. Ajusting medications is so tricky, too much he is a mumbling zombie, who can not find his way out of a room, not enough and he throws fits, fingers and profanities. It is enough to drive a Donkey to drink.

Bush must have left the Donkey off his Holiday card list. Has the Game gotten his card yet?

12:38 AM, December 14, 2005  
Anonymous Democat said...

Was listening to Ron and Linda today talking about the Feds searching our homes for guns (no problemo in my case as I hate them), but had a thought. Once the Ameri-Fascists have the right to search people´s homes for guns, how long will it be before they take those guns away? Gee, just think, all these NRA gun nuts that voted for The Bu$hrat and The Puppet Master might end up losing their guns because they helped put these people in office. Sort of poetic justice, don´t you think?
Also, considering the growing lack of separation of church and state, how long will it be before the morality police start looking to see what kind of books, movies, etc. we have or are buying, renting, or borrowing from the library? Don´t think they´d care for my current library selections which are sort of erotic supernatural thrillers. But,if the morality police have their way there will be censorship anyway, so these books will not be in libraries, book stores, etc. and they´ll probably want to burn my son´s "Harry Potter" books/videos, too. :-(

3:37 PM, December 14, 2005  
Blogger Ron said...

Democat..I'm glad you see the broad possibilities here. We are being fear mongered into total control. While we pay for it!!!! Hopefully there are enough Real Americans left to fix this before it goes to far.

5:51 PM, December 14, 2005  
Anonymous The Inquiring Mind said...

Heard Ron talking on the show about some insurgents/terrorists blowing up a donkey. What kind of person would want to blow up a poor little donkey? Oh, I know, it's The Game who wants to blow up The Donkey. Does that mean that The Game is a terrorist? Will the Feds soon be using The Patriot Act to check out The Game and his blog? Will they come to Ron's blog to check because Game has posted messages here? Will we all go to internment camps after they do? Will Donkey and Game go to the same one? Hmm. The Inquiring Mind wants to know.

3:33 PM, December 15, 2005  
Blogger The Donkey said...

Do not blame the Game, this donkey lives. This donkey has not violated any secret laws that the donkey knows of.

The secret laws reminds the donkey of the book,Catch 22.

From wikipedia:
"Catch-22 is also invoked at other points in the novel to justify various other actions. At one point, victims of harassment by military agents quote the agents as having explained one of Catch-22's most macabre and rococo provisions in this fashion: Catch-22 states that agents enforcing Catch-22 need not prove that Catch-22 actually contains whatever provision the accused violator is accused of violating. An old woman explains: "Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can’t stop them from doing." Yossarian comes to realize that Catch-22 doesn't actually exist, but that because the powers that be claim it does and the world believes that it does, it nevertheless has potent effects. Indeed, it is worse than if it had existed because there is no way it can be repealed, undone, overthrown, or denounced. The combination of brute force with specious legalistic justification is one of the book's primary motifs."

10:08 PM, December 15, 2005  
Anonymous The Inquiring Mind said...

When Donkey says "Don't blame The Game." does he mean that I shouldn't tease The Game (Why does Donkey get to have all the fun?) or that Donkey lives despite whatever Game might dream about doing to him? Hmm. The Inquiring Mind wants to know. :-) The I/M was speaking tongue in cheek. Unlike Game, Donkey has not misplaced HIS sense of humor (I hope.)
Game needs to realize that sooner or later The Patriot Act might want to catch up with what he's doing or saying. We're not going to preserve our freedom by letting the Bush Administration take it away. What don't Game and his cohorts understand about that?

2:16 PM, December 16, 2005  
Anonymous Democat said...

Senate refused to extend The Patriot Act-vote was way too close, tho, and that will be because The Republican majority that The Game loves voted to take our freedoms away to preserve them.

2:54 PM, December 16, 2005  
Anonymous Democat said...

Also, for Dedanna and anyone else who likes to read fantasy/horror novels (doesn't include Mr. Pragmatism)the author of those books I was talking about is Laurell K. Hamilton. She writes the Meredith Gentry series and The Anita Blake, Vampire Hunter series. Really good books, but the morality police would ban them given a chance (we're talking women's erotica not porn which I don't like).

2:59 PM, December 16, 2005  

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