Who's The Traitor?
Proof that the far right are actually the instigators of treason and gutless propaganda.
When a Republican congresswoman from Ohio suggested on the floor of the House that Rep. John Murtha (D-PA) was a coward for calling for the beginnings of a U.S. pullout in Iraq, she was roundly criticized by members of her own party, and had to retract her statement. When Vice President Cheney seemed to slam dissent on the war, President Bush said that war critics should at least be heard. But columnist Ann Coulter is apparently having none of it. Her latest column rips war critics such as Murtha as "traitors." Here are some highlights:"It is simply a fact that Democrats like Murtha are encouraging the Iraqi insurgents when they say the war is going badly and it's time to bring the troops home. Whether or not there is any merit to the idea, calling for a troop withdrawal or 'redeployment,' as liberals pointlessly distinguish will delay our inevitable victory and cost more American lives.... "The Democrats are giving aid and comfort to the enemy for no purpose other than giving aid and comfort to the enemy. There is no plausible explanation for the Democrats' behavior other than that they long to see U.S. troops shot, humiliated, and driven from the field of battle. "They fill the airwaves with treason, but when called to vote on withdrawing troops, disavow their own public statements. These people are not only traitors, they are gutless traitors."
First she uses the overall gutless propaganda technique that her way is the only way to fight the enemy. Either do it her way or you are against fighting terror and want to aid the enemy. Her statement as fact that it "will delay our inevitable victory and cost more American lives(I assume she is speaking of civilians) is a questionable statement at best and debatable at lest.
Treason and traitors.
The people that speak out against the torture and preemptive war are the hero's. Do you think this stance causes people around the world to feel we are weak or do you think it makes more people think that there is still an element of "good guys" left in the worlds greatest country. The fact these things are in the press and noted around the world ENHANCES our image, It doesn't tarnish it. That is unless you want the country to have the image that it stomps on dissent and rejects truth.
The blind to anything outside her own worldview Anne Coulters of the world will continue to be an embarassment to our great democracy. That's the way it works. We get to have embarrasments too.
Another Embarassment
And a "neutral" Embarassment.
posted by Ron at 7:32 PM
16 Comments:
What is the definition of treason Ron?
How do you think the enemy feels when they see liberals trying to get us to leave?
Do they feel?
A. Aide and comfort
B. Fear
C. Depression
I think we know the answer
I thought your blog needed a boost...maybe someone will want to comment now.
Once again...I'll invite Ron, Jim, Democat or anyone who can say anything intelligent to my blog...Ron, your last post was quite poor...you need to get back on track
I don't even know the address of your blog, but don't have unlimited time to blog, so will probably pass, esp. since it's implied that my good friend
The Donkey is not welcome.
Game, I have no wish to offer aid and comfort to terrorists whether they be Islamic, Irish, homegrown, etc. I doubt that they give much of a da*n whether I oppose the war or not, so they are unlikely to be depressed or afraid.
However, it depresses me a great deal to hear about our troops being blown up by car bombs, etc. I feel sorry for them and their families and I pray for them at night before I go to sleep. It depresses and horrifies me to hear about innocent Iraqi women and children being killed, as well. I do not want this to continue to happen so that Halliburton, Bechtel, the oil companies, etc. can make a fortune. The blood of our young men and women and the innocent should not be spilled so that the greedy and corrupt corporate globalists can make a profit, the rightwing hypocrites can wage their modern day Crusade against "the infidels", and Iraq can become an Islamic (Shiite) theocracy.
I do absolutely SUPPORT THE TROOPS and not the enemy which is why I totally oppose terrorists and war criminals which includes the whole Bush Administration!! You gotta stop looking at this in black and white terms or you're just not ever gonna get it, Game! And puhleeze look up the word liberal in a dictionary. It's a good thing to be!
democat:
1. You write that you are sad that women and children are being blown up in Iraq...what do you think will happen if we leave? What happened in Vietnam when we left? You don't have to look that far back to try and learn from history.
2. There have been many interviews written that state that our enemy in Vietnam knew they simply had to wait until the media and the Left lost the war for us, everyone knows we can not be beaten on the battlefield...the new way to beat America is by getting the Left on your side....
3. There is nothing wrong with being against the war before it happened, but since all the liberal politicians you praise decided to vote for the war, now all of you need to support your country. Showing the enemy that we might become weak, give up and make ourselves lose is comforting to terrorists.
4. Anyone who can make a point can come to my blog...and all you need to do is click on my name to get there...it says alot about someone who is "good friends" with someone who says the things the donkey says.
Game, sorry I feel the idea of preemtive war and torture do more harm to us and our ultimate security. When we pull out after taking out saddam and the boys and letting them get a constitution and leaders is not a cut and run. A cut and run is what we did in Afganistan.
buy the way it should be clear by now that donkey and game and everyone else is welcome here as far as I'm concerned. if you all want a personal little drama go ahead but homey dont play that.
Hey lame game,
If you're going to say something that ignorant, you could at least fake a stroke. Have you ever noticed that whenever you sit behind a keyboard, some idiot starts typing?
Are you always this ignorant, or are you making a special effort today? Well, you're certainly thoughtless; I just wish that you were keyboard-less, too. To quote Martin Luther King, Jr.: "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than a sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."
Game, why would I want to come on YOUR blog when you say some of the things YOU do? I noticed you didn't personally invite Dedanna, Lonna, or Diane who have many intelligent things to say. I think that Lonna would like to come on your blog, in fact. As for Donkey, what can I say? He makes me laugh and we are both Democrats, if not both Liberals. Guess, I'm just loyal that way and maybe the only bloggers from here that you'll get will be Ron and Jim, so learn to live with it.
Re: cutting and running. I'm not suggesting an immediate withdrawal from the country. We have to pull back to the borders and come up with a plan to start bringing our guys home soon, so the Iraqis will know we are going to leave and not stay there indefinitely. We need assistance from the U.N. re: peacekeeping. (Not likely with the horrible Bolton as Ambassador, tho, thanks to the Bu$hrat.)I have always been afraid that there would be a civil war if we left, but guess what? There's already a civil war going on, or at least a guerilla war. There's no good way to do this. YOUR despicable excuse for a leader has painted us into a corner we can't get out of without someone getting hurt. I feel more sorry for these innocent civilians than you can know, and if you really cared about them, which I doubt, you couldn't continue to support a spoiled rich boy who lied us into a war which has gotten 40,000-100,000 of them killed. Bottom line, I'm tired of hearing about our troops getting killed and wounded over there so Bu$h and his disgustingly rich friends can get even richer. I want the troops to come home.
As for Vietnam, do you want a 10 yr. war with 57,000+ of our troops dead and many more wounded? I have a good friend who was in 'Nam unlike your President, was exposed to Agent Orange, and who is permanently disabled. He hates Bush, as does my step-dad, also a Vietnam vet. Many many many Vietnam veterans hate Bu$h and that whole crowd of people who push for war, but never had the guts to go and fight themselves.
Donkey, feel free to expand on this post if you want to.
G A M E - the definition of Treason is to side with the enemy in anyway you can. First off, I was in Vietnam, I have 12 years of Military Service, no way to prove that to someone as dumb as you other than to say all I want to see is Assholes and Elbows. Cutting and Running is just another Bush Administration trick to persue an illegal and mislead war to the people of this country. I hold you and all neo-cons like you Bush included for all the deaths in Iraq, all, treason is the murdering of over 2000 American Boys for no reason. Do you think you can dispute that, then check yourself in to a mental hospital before the real Americans come and get you for those charges. Another reason for treason is for people like you who never served a day on active duty to learn to shut up - its none of your business obviously what the majority of Americans want, somewhere in the neighborhood of better than 60% at last count. Fear is what you losers do best - you only have one problem after scare everybody else what do you do with true soldiers like me who aren't afraid of your BS and I'm not. I noticed how you conviently left me off your list of invitees, oh by the way G A M E I only go with true men and your not one, pull out now, before you commit anymore treason, you traitor.
The Maniac
democat...all the people you mentioned can come...Ron comes, Jiim comes, its fun...Ron has been a bit emotional lately...but today he got back on track a little...
It does seem to be getting a bit more like this blog with the likes of donkey on mine...but from the other side...I don't really know what, or if, I should do anything...I hate to see the name calling and hate that people like the donkey spew on my blog...it takes away from actual debate...and I am simply stunned that democat or anyone here thinks what I do and what the donkey does is the same thing...
Kudos to Maniac for telling it like it is! :-)
No, Game, I don't think that you and Donkey do the same thing. When he insults you, he is name calling with style. You are just name calling. OK, it's not very nice, but it is funny when one is not the butt of his jokes. You could do the same thing back, but let's face it, Donkey is not only super creative, but way smarter than most of us, so who can compete with him? And I didn't know he was already going to your blog. I will pass the info on to Lonna, tho.
Re: Ron being too emotional-why do you want Ron to be a "vulcan" who hugs (or maybe one who doesn't hug)? He's already a practical realist. That should be enough for you. Game, it's time you got in touch with your "feminine side" and your "inner child" and realized that emotions are GOOD things to have! Also, any luck on finding your missing sense of humor, yet?
The donkey has not posted any thing on the Game's blog. The Donkey has not posted much here lately for different reasons.
On an unrelated thought, perhaps the democat needs to look a little harder to see if any one is protesting the war, before walking through the Pioneer Plaza and to the public library at about 2:14 pm.
Sorry to The Donkey for not noticing you. Guess, you were behaving yourself. :-) I was looking for protesters, too. (sigh)
How did it go? Unfortunately, I could not join in last weekend. Hopefully, things will be different this weekend, and I will see you at the meeting on Thursday nite, also.
Game,
You didn't answer my question re: why you want Ron to be a "vulcan" who doesn't get emotional in his posts (whether he hugs or not, as YOU are in no danger of getting a hug from him while you're up there in WI).
You, also, have not answered my questions re:
why peace is unchristian and unpatriotic
why caring about the environment is unamerican
why you still support cheaters and liars
If I went to your blog would the bloggers there answer me, or are you all waiting to ambush me? I talked to Lonna last night and she will probably go on your blog when she gets back from her vacation.
Well, I checked out the Game's blog. Have no interest in going there. Totally divorced from reality. Anyone whose hero is Ann Coulter who is the QUEEN of hate speech is not someone who can be reasoned with. She called Jimmy Carter a nitwit, for heaven's sake!! IF we had continued with Carter's energy policy, we might not be in the mess we are in now!! He put solar panels on the White House and mandated increased mpg's for cars. The first things Reagan did when he came in was take the panels down and rescind the mpg requirements for cars.
Rush Limbaugh calling Chelsea the "family dog."
Trying to get these people to see reality would be a total waste of my time. I thought perhaps I could use Ike's words or MacArthur's words or Bradley's words or Butler's words. But... Ike said we would kill ourselves spiritually if we went the way the Bush administration is intent on going. He was right. We have already done that.
My husband was in on the TET offensive in Vietnam. Perhaps Game should read "Code of Honor" by Nelson Demille, who was a lt. in Vietnam. He was also in on the tet offensive. OR he should read General Zinni.
All the veterans I know who have actually seen combat think this war was unnecessary and a travesty. BUT, as long as it is "other people's kids..." A soldier blogger I read said he was a Republican when he went to Iraq. Apparently he isn't any more. He also said 'There are battles that need to be fought (Afghanistan) and battles that serve no purpose. Iraq is the new frontier for poor planning and poor policy. We are creating a martyr factory here, and we are beginning to wade through the next Vietnam. How many dead will it take -- 2000 dead? How about 10,000?'
Lonna
In case the Game reads... This from the Baghdad Girl Blogger. Especially, read the last of it. It is NOT our country, and it is NOT our oil!!
Friday, May 07, 2004
Just Go...
People are seething with anger- the pictures of Abu Ghraib and the Brits in Basrah are everywhere. Every newspaper you pick up in Baghdad has pictures of some American or British atrocity or another. It's like a nightmare that has come to life.
Everyone knew this was happening in Abu Ghraib and other places… seeing the pictures simply made it all more real and tangible somehow. American and British politicians have the audacity to come on television with words like, "True the people in Abu Ghraib are criminals, but…" Everyone here in Iraq knows that there are thousands of innocent people detained. Some were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time, while others were detained 'under suspicion'. In the New Iraq, it's "guilty until proven innocent by some miracle of God".
People are so angry. There’s no way to explain the reactions- even pro-occupation Iraqis find themselves silenced by this latest horror. I can’t explain how people feel- or even how I personally feel. Somehow, pictures of dead Iraqis are easier to bear than this grotesque show of American military technique. People would rather be dead than sexually abused and degraded by the animals running Abu Ghraib prison.
There was a time when people here felt sorry for the troops. No matter what one's attitude was towards the occupation, there were moments of pity towards the troops, regardless of their nationality. We would see them suffering the Iraqi sun, obviously wishing they were somewhere else and somehow, that vulnerability made them seem less monstrous and more human. That time has passed. People look at troops now and see the pictures of Abu Ghraib… and we burn with shame and anger and frustration at not being able to do something. Now that the world knows that the torture has been going on since the very beginning, do people finally understand what happened in Falloojeh?
I'm avoiding the internet because it feels like the pictures are somehow available on every site I visit. I'm torn between wishing they weren't there and feeling, somehow, that it's important that the whole world sees them. The thing, I guess, that bothers me most is that the children can see it all. How do you explain the face of the American soldier, leering over the faceless, naked bodies to a child? How do you explain the sick, twisted minds? How do you explain what is happening to a seven-year-old?
There have been demonstrations in Baghdad and other places. There was a large demonstration outside of the Abu Ghraib prison itself. The families of some of the inmates of the prison were out there protesting the detentions and the atrocities… faces streaked with tears of rage and brows furrowed with anxiety. Each and every one of those people was wondering what their loved ones had suffered inside the walls of the hell that makes Guantanamo look like a health spa.
And through all this, Bush gives his repulsive speeches. He makes an appearance on Arabic tv channels looking sheepish and attempting to look sincere, babbling on about how this 'incident' wasn't representative of the American people or even the army, regardless of the fact that it's been going on for so long. He asks Iraqis to not let these pictures reflect on their attitude towards the American people… and yet when the bodies were dragged through the streets of Falloojeh, the American troops took it upon themselves to punish the whole city.
He's claiming it's a "stain on our country's honor"... I think not. The stain on your country's honor, Bush dear, was the one on the infamous blue dress that made headlines while Clinton was in the White House... this isn't a 'stain' this is a catastrophe. Your credibility was gone the moment you stepped into Iraq and couldn't find the WMD... your reputation never existed.
So are the atrocities being committed in Abu Ghraib really not characteristic of the American army? What about the atrocities committed by Americans in Guantanamo? And Afghanistan? I won't bother bringing up the sordid past, let's just focus on the present. It seems that torture and humiliation are common techniques used in countries blessed with the American presence. The most pathetic excuse I heard so far was that the American troops weren't taught the fundamentals of human rights mentioned in the Geneva Convention… Right- morals, values and compassion have to be taught.
All I can think about is the universal outrage when the former government showed pictures of American POWs on television, looking frightened and unsure about their fate. I remember the outcries from American citizens, claiming that Iraqis were animals for showing 'America's finest' fully clothed and unharmed. So what does this make Americans now?
We heard about it all… we heard stories since the very beginning of the occupation about prisoners being made to sit for several hours on their knees… being deprived of sleep for days at a time by being splashed with cold water or kicked or slapped… about the infamous 'red rooms' where prisoners are kept for prolonged periods of time… about the rape, the degradations, the emotional and physical torture… and there were moments when I actually wanted to believe that what we heard was exaggerated. I realize now that it was only a small fragment of the truth. There is nothing that is going to make this 'better'. Nothing.
Through all of this, where is the Governing Council? Under what rock are the Puppets hiding? Why is no one condemning this? What does Bremer have to say for himself and for the Americans? Why this unbearable silence?
I don't understand the 'shock' Americans claim to feel at the lurid pictures. You've seen the troops break down doors and terrify women and children… curse, scream, push, pull and throw people to the ground with a boot over their head. You've seen troops shoot civilians in cold blood. You've seen them bomb cities and towns. You've seen them burn cars and humans using tanks and helicopters. Is this latest debacle so very shocking or appalling?
The number of killings in the south has also risen. The Americans and British are saying that they are 'insurgents' and people who are a part of Al-Sadir's militia, but people from Najaf are claiming that innocent civilians are being killed on a daily basis. Today the troops entered Najaf and there was fighting in the streets. This is going to cause a commotion because Najaf is considered a holy city and is especially valuable to Shi'a all over the world. The current situation in the south makes one wonder who, now, is going to implement a no-fly zone over areas like Falloojeh and Najaf to 'protect' the people this time around?
I sometimes get emails asking me to propose solutions or make suggestions. Fine. Today's lesson: don't rape, don't torture, don't kill and get out while you can- while it still looks like you have a choice... Chaos? Civil war? Bloodshed? We’ll take our chances- just take your Puppets, your tanks, your smart weapons, your dumb politicians, your lies, your empty promises, your rapists, your sadistic torturers and go.
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